Guest Edgy DC Guests Posted September 22, 2007 Posted September 22, 2007 Remarkable about David Wright's season is not only his productivity, but continuing to produce in the face of Willie Randolph's workload, a challenge that can speculatively blamed in part for Jose Reyes' second-half slump. He's played 97.59% of the Mets innings at third this season, while Reyes has heroically clocked 98.54% of the shorty innings.Wright is now on his way to one of the most productive batting seasons in Met history, as measured by my favorited quick metric (OPS+ - 60) * PA. I'm not measuring defensive contribution here nor baserunning contribution, but likely these two would be a net plus with Wright, despite his annoying ninth-inning yips. He's currently sneaking up on the great outlier, Bernard Gilkey's 1996. He'd nonetheless have to go quite nuts to join his batting coach as the only Mets every to rack up 70,000 EBM points.Go, Davey, go.RankPlayerSeasonOPS+PAEBM1Howard Johnson198916965571,3952John Olerud199816366568,4953Darryl Strawberry198816564067,2004Darryl Strawberry198716264065,280Proj.David Wright200715270664,9745Bernard Gilkey199615765663,6326David Wright200715266761,3647Edgardo Alfonzo200015065058,5008Carlos Beltran200615361757,3819Howard Johnson199114565855,93010Keith Hernandez198414365754,53111Mike Piazza200015954553,95512Keith Hernandez198614165252,81213Lee Mazzilli197913569351,97514Todd Hundley199614362451,79215Mike Piazza200115057351,57016John Olerud199913172351,33317David Wright200513865751,24618Cleon Jones196915155850,77819David Wright200613666150,23620Gary Carter198513963350,007
metirish Old-Timey Member Posted September 22, 2007 Posted September 22, 2007 I have no idea what EBM points are,not even an educated guess,did I totally miss something?
Guest Edgy DC Guests Posted September 22, 2007 Posted September 22, 2007 As stated, (OPS+ - 60) * PA. Edgy Batting Metric.You can prove anything as long as you make up your own stat.
nymr83 Old-Timey Member Posted September 22, 2007 Posted September 22, 2007 why -60? why not -80? (which is what i've been told "replacement level" is)otherwise the concept is a good one
Guest Edgy DC Guests Posted September 23, 2007 Posted September 23, 2007 I've understood 60. If 80, EBM is a lie.
Guest Edgy DC Guests Posted September 23, 2007 Posted September 23, 2007 How does that translate into MVP voting? Sporadically.RankPlayerSeasonOPS+PAEBMMVP RankMVP Share1Howard Johnson198916965571,39550.462John Olerud199816366568,495120.083Darryl Strawberry198816564067,20020.704Darryl Strawberry198716264065,28060.28Proj.David Wright200715270664,974----5Bernard Gilkey199615765663,632140.036David Wright200715266761,364----7Edgardo Alfonzo200015065058,500150.018Carlos Beltran200615361757,38140.479Howard Johnson199114565855,93050.3310Keith Hernandez198414365754,53120.5811Mike Piazza200015954553,95530.6012Keith Hernandez198614165252,81240.5313Lee Mazzilli197913569351,975----14Todd Hundley199614362451,792180.0215Mike Piazza200115057351,570130.0316John Olerud199913172351,333----17David Wright200513865751,246190.0418Cleon Jones196915155850,77870.2419David Wright200613666150,23690.1620Gary Carter198513963350,00760.35
Guest Mendoza Line Guests Posted September 23, 2007 Posted September 23, 2007 Edgy DC wrote:I've understood 60. If 80, EBM is a lie.Yeah, but not of the evil, pernicious type. The difference in rank isn't great (not posting the table so as to save some space here). All else equal, using 80 gives less weight to PA and more to OPS+, so it generally helps the catchers a bit.I checked quickly and didn't see any other seasons that would get into the top 20 if OPS+ - 80 replaces OPS+ - 60.
metsmarathon Old-Timey Member Posted September 23, 2007 Posted September 23, 2007 if an OPS+ of 80 is replacement level, then paul loduca is just barely above replacement, and jose valentin just barely below (82 and 78 OPS+ respectively, as of today's bbref stats).if an OPS+ of 60 is replacement level, then julio franco is replacement (OPS+ of 59).the latter feels more right.oe: a quick crosscheck between baseball prospectus (for which this season it appears as if a 0.230 EQA is replacement level) and baseballreference, and it looks like about a 67 (up to maybe 71) OPS+ is replacement level this year. so stephen drew, marcus giles, and brad ausmus, to name a few, are your example replacements.
Guest Edgy DC Guests Posted September 23, 2007 Posted September 23, 2007 I'm going with 60. That's what you find on the waiver wire.
Guest Edgy DC Guests Posted September 23, 2007 Posted September 23, 2007 Babe Ruth, for comparison, had nine seasons over 100,000, despite this being a cumulative statistic, and him playing a shorter season.He had three over 120,000! In 1918, he played in 95 games for Boston, still pitching in 20, 19 as a starter, and spending part-time duty as an outfielder and firstbaseman. By this metric, those 95 games would be better than all but 17 seasons had by any Mets player.
Elster88 Old-Timey Member Posted September 23, 2007 Posted September 23, 2007 Edgy DC wrote:... Willie Randolph's workload, a challenge that can speculatively blamed in part for Jose Reyes' second-half slump... I thought I was the only one.
Theoldmole Old-Timey Member Posted September 24, 2007 Posted September 24, 2007 For those of us hopelessly mired in the mid-20th Century...I actually do know what OPS is. And I can figure out the last part as divided by Plate Appearances. But what is plus or minus 60? Or 80?
Theoldmole Old-Timey Member Posted September 24, 2007 Posted September 24, 2007 Scratch that. Multiplied by Plate Appearances.
Guest Edgy DC Guests Posted September 24, 2007 Posted September 24, 2007 OPS+ is a players OPS over the league average OPS (or in the NL, the league average not including pitchers), multiplied by 100. An OPS of 150 is 50% higher than the league average.Sixty is subtracted because an OPS+ of 60 can be said (there's some disagreement in this thread) to be typical of a replacement player, the level of player you can grab off the waiver wire.
Guest Edgy DC Guests Posted September 24, 2007 Posted September 24, 2007 Through 155 games, he inches closer.The protracted division race doesn't allow him to get the rest he needs, but it does allow him to garner more EBM points.He's now projecting toward the third best EBM season ever.RankPlayerSeasonOPS+PAEBM1Howard Johnson198916965571,3952John Olerud199816366568,4953Darryl Strawberry198816564067,200Proj.David Wright200715370965,9374Darryl Strawberry198716264065,2805Bernard Gilkey199615765663,6326David Wright200715367863,0547Edgardo Alfonzo200015065058,5008Carlos Beltran200615361757,3819Howard Johnson199114565855,93010Keith Hernandez198414365754,53111Mike Piazza200015954553,95512Keith Hernandez198614165252,81213Lee Mazzilli197913569351,97514Todd Hundley199614362451,79215Mike Piazza200115057351,57016John Olerud199913172351,33317David Wright200513865751,24618Cleon Jones196915155850,77819David Wright200613666150,23620Gary Carter198513963350,007
Guest Edgy DC Guests Posted October 12, 2007 Posted October 12, 2007 How awesome was HoJo '89 that he remained so unapproached by his MVP-chasing protege?RankPlayerSeasonOPS+PAEBM1Howard Johnson198916965571,3952John Olerud199816366568,4953Darryl Strawberry198816564067,2004David Wright200715271165,4125Darryl Strawberry198716264065,2806Bernard Gilkey199615765663,6327Edgardo Alfonzo200015065058,5008Carlos Beltran200615361757,3819Howard Johnson199114565855,93010Keith Hernandez198414365754,53111Mike Piazza200015954553,95512Keith Hernandez198614165252,81213Lee Mazzilli197913569351,97514Todd Hundley199614362451,79215Mike Piazza200115057351,57016John Olerud199913172351,33317David Wright200513865751,24618Cleon Jones196915155850,77819David Wright200613666150,23620Gary Carter198513963350,007
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