Mets minor league pitchers excel

[Guest User 362]

Four Mets pitchers excelled in the minors yesterday, led by Kevin Mulvey of the Binghamton Mets.

Mulvey pitched six innings of four-hit ball, holding the Trenton Yankees to the only two runs they scored in the game. He walked just one batter while striking out 10. Though he didn't gain the victory, the five Mets relievers that followed him held the Yankees scoreless until the 14th inning when a single, double, and error produced the Mets winning run.

The other pitchers who performed well were Deolis Guerra, Dylan Owen, and Michael Olmsted.

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[metirish]

What kind of stuff does Mulvey have,do you agree with one blogger I heard on SNY saying that he's a Brian Bannister type,a fourth or fifth type starter....maybe.

[Guest User 362]

metirish wrote: What kind of stuff does Mulvey have,do you agree with one blogger I heard on SNY saying that he's a Brian Bannister type,a fourth or fifth type starter....maybe.

Hi metirish.

I judge a pitcher by his performance. If he performs well, his stuff must be decent.

Here's what I wrote about Mulvey in a recent column:

]He's one of the few Mets minor leaguers who can throw four pitches: a fastball, curve, slider, and changeup ... He leads the B-Mets in wins with 10 and, of the starters, has the lowest WHIP at 1.28. His ERA is the sixth best in the Eastern League and his WHIP is only .13 behind the league leader. Baseball America rated him as the Mets sixth best prospect.

Bannister didn't pitch as well as Mulvey is during Bannister's first season in Double-A.

I don't think it's a bad thing to be called a Bannister-type. I was sorry to see the Mets trade him, and he's been pitching well for the Royals, especially of late.

[Guest Edgy DC]

Bannister did well at Bingo.

At 23, he went 3-3, 4.06 after a midseason callup.

At 24, he went 9-4 2.56 in 18 starts.

That's certainly better than Mulvey's 11-10, 3.34 in 25 starts. The good news is that Mulvey's two years younger.

[Guest User 362]

Edgy DC wrote: Bannister did well at Bingo. At 23, he went 3-3, 4.06 after a midseason callup. At 24, he went 9-4 2.56 in 18 starts. That's certainly better than Mulvey's 11-10, 3.34 in 25 starts. The good news is that Mulvey's two years younger.

Hi Edgy DC.

I agree that Bannister did better in his second season at Binghamton than he did in his first; however, I think if Mulvey were to pitch again next season in Binghamton he'd do as well, if not better than Bannister.

I don't expect that to happen. If Mulvey's doesn't make the Mets roster, which though a long-shot isn't impossible, I think he'll start next season in Triple-A. I definitely think he's a better pitcher than Jason Vargas.

[seawolf17]

I think Mulvey's definitely on the B-list of pitching prospects in the organization; he'll likely see major league action somewhere, it's just a matter of whether it will be as a Met or if he'll be dealt.

[Guest User 362]

seawolf17 wrote: I think Mulvey's definitely on the B-list of pitching prospects in the organization; he'll likely see major league action somewhere, it's just a matter of whether it will be as a Met or if he'll be dealt.

I hope the Mets give Mulvey more of a chance to prove himself in the majors than they did Kazmir before they consider trading him.

[Guest Edgy DC]

metbaseball wrote: ="Edgy DC"]Bannister did well at Bingo. At 23, he went 3-3, 4.06 after a midseason callup. At 24, he went 9-4 2.56 in 18 starts. That's certainly better than Mulvey's 11-10, 3.34 in 25 starts. The good news is that Mulvey's two years younger. Hi Edgy DC. I agree that Bannister did better in his second season at Binghamton than he did in his first; however, I think if Mulvey were to pitch again next season in Binghamton he'd do as well, if not better than Bannister. I don't expect that to happen. If Mulvey's doesn't make the Mets roster, which though a long-shot isn't impossible, I think he'll start next season in Triple-A. I definitely think he's a better pitcher than Jason Vargas.

Sure, but his first season wasn't a season at all, but rather a modest interlude of eight starts. The good news in sorting that out is that his 18 starts in 2005 combine with his eight from the end of 2004 to add up to something remarkably like a full minor-league season.

Year	W	L	ERA	G	GS	CG	SH	GF	SV	IP	H	R	ER	HR	BB	SO	WP	BK�	H9	HR9	BB9	K9	WHIP
2004	3	3	4.06	8	8	0	0	0	0	44.1	45	23	20	2	17	28	4	0	9.14	0.41	3.45	5.68	1.40
2005	9	4	2.56	18	18	1	1	1	0	109.0	91	36	31	11	27	94	2	1�	7.51	0.91	2.23	7.76	1.08
Total	12	7	3.00	26	26	1	1	1	0	153.1	136	59	51	13	44	122	6	1	7.99	0.76	2.59	7.17	1.18

[metirish]

metbaseball wrote: ="seawolf17"]I think Mulvey's definitely on the B-list of pitching prospects in the organization; he'll likely see major league action somewhere, it's just a matter of whether it will be as a Met or if he'll be dealt. I hope the Mets give Mulvey more of a chance to prove himself in the majors than they did Kazmir before they consider trading him.

Mulvey is not considered even close to the prospect Kazmir was,is he?....

[Guest User 362]

Edgy,

It's strange that when I view your table when I'm not logged in all I see is the HTML code; however, when I log in the table displays correctly.

[Guest Edgy DC]

One of many fine reasons to log in.

[Frayed Knot]

]Mulvey is not considered even close to the prospect Kazmir was,is he?....

No.
Mulvey was the 61st overall pick as a supposedly more advanced college pitcher.
That's a nice spot, but not where an overwhelming talent would normally get selected and
I don't see him being anywhere near the upper tier of prospects when this sort of stuff is
evaluated over this coming off-season.

Kazmir was a less-polished but theoretically more high-ceilinged high-schooler taken 15th
overall and maybe would have gone earlier than that except that some teams were scared
away by the prospect of having to buy him out of the college scholarship (U Texas) he already
had in his pocket.
On account of that perceived potential - as well as his early success in the lower minors - Kazmir
was almost immediately near the top of all those prospect lists.

All that was, of course, the main source of frustration over the trade.
First a top-10 talent falls to you in the middle of the 1st round ... then the early returns makes
it look to be as good as you hoped ... and then you go and trade it and get only an iffy
talent in return.

[Guest Edgy DC]

The greater point is to view trades --- as much as I dislike the whole practice --- not necessarily as an insult to the traded player and a disrespect to his abilities and future, but as a tactical decision weighing that against what they are acquiring.

The Mets weren't wrong about Scott Kazmir. They were wrong about Scott Kazmir relative to Victor Zambrano.

Kazmir alone shouldn't factor into any decision to keep or deal Mulvey.

[smg58]

I wasn't under the impression that Pelfrey or Humber has ever been as highly regarded a prospect as Kazmir was, much less Mulvey.

Mulvey's doing just fine for a kid his age. Bannister's a difficult comparison, because he wasn't as touted a prospect and is currently exceeding his major leage expectations.

[Guest Edgy DC]

Met pitching phenoms through Pelfrey, as ranked by Baseball America.

Year	Pelfrey	Humber	Petit	Kazmir	Peterson	Heilman	Strange	Roberts	Dotel	Yarnell	Goetz	Wilson	Pulsipher	Isringhausen	Jones	Young	Vasquez	Schourek	Valera
2007	20	73
2006	36
2005		50	46
2004				12	88
2003				11		45
2002						78
2001							63
2000							78	84
1999								79	45
1998								29		60	96
1997
1996												2
1995												16	12	37
1994													21
1993															28
1992																55	92
1991																26		33	98
1990																			56

[Guest Johnny Dickshot]

You could eat off that table.

[metirish]

Wilson was that highly touted?,what happened that he went form 16 to 2...obviously others went to the majors but what else?

[Guest Johnny Dickshot]

Wilson was a No. 1 overall slam-dunky pick.

[Guest Edgy DC]

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Year	Team	Lg	Age	Org	Level	W	L	ERA	G	GS	CG	SH	GF	SV	IP	H	R	ER	HR	BB	SO	WP	BK	H9	HR9	BB9	K9	WHIP
1995	Binghamton	East	22	Nym	AA	6	3	2.17	16	16	4	1	0	0	120.1	89	34	29	5	24	127	4	3	6.66	0.37	1.80	9.50	0.94
1995	Norfolk	IL	22	Nym	AAA	5	3	2.85	10	10	4	2	0	0	66.1	59	25	21	3	20	67	2	0	8.01	0.41	2.71	9.09	1.19

[Frayed Knot]

"The Mets weren't wrong about Scott Kazmir."

Well, there were at least some in the Wilpon circle of advisors who were.



"They were wrong about Scott Kazmir relative to Victor Zambrano."

Quite wrong



"Kazmir alone shouldn't factor into any decision to keep or deal Mulvey."

Of course

[Guest User 362]

metirish wrote: ="metbaseball"] ="seawolf17"]I think Mulvey's definitely on the B-list of pitching prospects in the organization; he'll likely see major league action somewhere, it's just a matter of whether it will be as a Met or if he'll be dealt. I hope the Mets give Mulvey more of a chance to prove himself in the majors than they did Kazmir before they consider trading him. Mulvey is not considered even close to the prospect Kazmir was,is he?....

Of course not. The point I was trying to make was that I hope that the Mets don't trade Mulvey before giving him a chance to pitch for awhile in the majors.

[Valadius]

I hope we continue to cultivate our young pitchers. I'd like to see some younger arms in the bullpen.

[metirish]

Valadius wrote: I hope we continue to cultivate our young pitchers. I'd like to see some younger arms in the bullpen.

Val they are not plants...all very nice to have young home grown guys in the pen but then we'd be complaining about them being to young and not experienced enough.

[Valadius]

LOL... well it's better, in my opinion, to have young live arms than to have old tired ones. Especially considering the likes of Sele and Shitty-weis.

[MFS62]

Schoeneweis has poisoned more games than China.

Later

[smg58]

The Mets would have a much stronger pen this year if they had opted to give their young arms a chance instead of dealing most of them and giving multi-year deals to guys who not only were perfectly capable of imploding, but whose best case scenario would still have made them replaceable.

[Guest Edgy DC]

MFS62 wrote: Schoeneweis has poisoned more games than China. Later

Huh?

[Guest Edgy DC]

Valadius wrote: LOL... well it's better, in my opinion, to have young live arms than to have old tired ones. Especially considering the likes of Sele and Shitty-weis.

Please stop with the ridiculous nicknames. It's like sitting next to the most obnoxious guy at shea.

Bannister for Burgos? Bad deal? Sure looks like it. But Burgos is almost three years younger than Bannister.

Bell and Ring for Johnson and Adkins? Looks bad today, man. But John Adkins is less than a month older than Heath Bell. Ben Johnson is a year and a half younger than Royce Ring. So we got younger there also, if possibly a little older, arm-wise.

Duaner Sanchez is two and a half years younger than Jae Weong Seo. And others, Kris Benson at 30 was traded for a 26-year-old Jorge Juliio and and a 24-year-old John Maine.

You can argue about all these deals (and there are certainly deals (Juio-for-Hernandez, for instance) where the arms got older), but can we please, everybody, stop making this stuff up about how the Mets hate young players (particularly pitchers). We consider all our pitchers on the verge --- even if they've been around for years --- young, and somehow don't regard the youth the team brings in as being part of the equation.

[Guest User 362]

Edgy DC wrote: And others, Kris Benson at 30 was traded for a 26-year-old Jorge Juliio and and a 24-year-old John Maine.

Jorge Julio, another reliever that Minaya traded for who didn't work out. When will he realize that power pitchers need more than a power pitch to be successful.

Howard

[Guest Edgy DC]

So now the Mets aren't blinded to the nuance of evaluation by age and experience, but by velocity?

Jorge Julio was flipped into Orlando Hernandez and has worked out just fine.

I mean, do we have to compare what the O's have gotten out of Benson to what the Mets have gotten out of Julio, Hernandez, and Maine?