Mid Season Rating

[MFS62]

The season's half over.
Time for your scorecards.
What grade would you give to each of the Mets? (Please use school grades, A,B,C,D,F )

Later

[metirish]

I'll give them all an E for effort....

[Benjamin Grimm]

They've battled.

[metirish]

Grade A

Maine
Feliciano
Wagner

Grade - B

O Hernandez
Smith
Reyes
Perez

Grade - B-

Glavine
Gotay
Gomez
Wright

Grade - C

Beltran
Heilman
Green
LoDuca
Castro
Easley

Grade - D

Schoeneweis
Franco
Delgado
Valentin
Pelfrey


Incomplete

Mota
Sele

[Guest Johnny Dickshot]

What Irish said.

[Guest Edgy DC]

Annual question: Are we grading them productivity relative to expectation (B- for Wright, F for Delgado) or productivity relative to the league (A or A- for Wright, D for Delgado)?

[Benjamin Grimm]

What about Alou and Chavez?

I think I'd give Wright a B or maybe a B+. He's done a nice job of putting that April behind him.

I think I'd be more generous to Green, though I don't know if we're supposed to figure expectations into the grade. He and Wright have certainly contributed more than Gomez and Gotay.

Looking at these grades, I have to conclude that the Mets are pretty lucky to be in first place. The post-season is anything but a sure thing.

[MFS62]

Edgy DC wrote: Annual question: Are we grading them productivity relative to expectation (B- for Wright, F for Delgado) or productivity relative to the league (A or A- for Wright, D for Delgado)?

How has this been answered before? Was there agreement among the CPF-ers?

In school, its grading to whether or not the pupil got the answer correct.
IMO, grading to the league is like grading on a curve. There may be some players who are having very good years, but will never have the same numbers as another player at the same position. (e.g. - A healthy Moises Alou would put up some pretty good numbers, but would never put up numbers like the year Miguel Cabrera is having)
I'd go with grading to expectations.

Later

[metirish]

I did forget about Alou and Chavez,probably because I went to the Mets roster page(25 man,not on it) and tried to grade each player as best I could,at least to my own expectations,I never did consider the questions Edgy posed,at least not that way anyway.

[Guest sharpie]

Sele shouldn't get an incomplete -- he's been there all year.

[smg58]

Grade A

Reyes
Maine
Wagner

Grade A-

Feliciano
Hernandez
Wright

Grade B+

Perez
Gotay
Smith

Grade - B

Beltran

Grade - B-

Castro
Chavez
Easley
Green
Sosa
Valentin

Grade - C

Glavine
Gomez
Heilman
LoDuca

Grade C-

Delgado

Grade - D

Franco
Newhan

Grade D-

Mota
Pelfrey
Schoeneweis
Sele

Incomplete

Alou

[Vic Sage]

Grade A
- Reyes
- Maine
- Wagner

Grades A- to B+
- Feliciano
- Wright
- O.Perez
- O.Hernandez

Grades B to B-
- Beltran
- Smith
- Gotay
- Chavez
- Easley
- Green
- Sosa

Grade C
- Glavine
- Gomez
- Heilman
- LoDuca
- Valentin
- Castro

Grades C- to D
- Delgado
- Franco
- Mota

Grade F
- Newhan
- Pelfrey
- Schoeneweis
- Sele

Incomplete
- Alou

[smg58]

Edgy DC wrote: Annual question: Are we grading them productivity relative to expectation (B- for Wright, F for Delgado) or productivity relative to the league (A or A- for Wright, D for Delgado)?

A little of both, I guess. I'm not going to make any claim that my method of evaluation is 100% objective.

[Guest Edgy DC]

Grading by position:

Catcher: C+
First Base: F+
Second Base: C+
Third Base: B+
Shortstop: A
Leftfield: F+
Centerfield A-
Rightfield: C

[nymr83]

position players (sorted by ABs)

Reyes A
Delgado D-
Beltran A-
Wright A-
LoDuca B
Green B
Valentin C+
Chavez B-
Alou B-
Gomez B
Castro B+
Gotay A-
Newhan C-
Franco D+
INC- Johnson, Ledee, Milledge

pitchers (sorted by innings)

Glavine B-
Maine A
Perez A-
Hernandez B+
Sosa A-
Heilman B-
Wagner A+
Pelfrey F-
Smith B+
Feliciano A-
Schoeneweis F
Sele C
Burgos B
Mota C
INC- Vargas, Park, Urdaneta

[Guest cleonjones11]

Gooden B
Ojeda A
Fernandez B
Darling B+
Berenyi D
Aguilera A
McDowell A
Sisk B+
Orosco A

Carter A
Hearn C+

Hernandez A
Backman A
Santana B
Knight B+
Teufel B+
Elster inc

Mitchell B+
Foster D-
Wilson B+
Dykstra A
Strawberry A
Heep B

[nymr83]

Edgy DC wrote: Grading by position: Catcher: C+ First Base: F+ Second Base: C+ Third Base: B+ Shortstop: A Leftfield: F+ Centerfield A- Rightfield: C

why is LF so low? Alou has been good (122 OPS+) when healthy, even if his replacements were awful thats still at least a C

[Guest Edgy DC]

Good averaged with awful doesn't come to average.

Leftfield is a productive position, but hasn't been for us.

[nymr83]

Edgy DC wrote: Good averaged with awful doesn't come to average. Leftfield is a productive position, but hasn't been for us.

even if thats true F is awful, you've acknowledged that Alou has been good (i think) so where is the F coming from?

how many PA's have the Mets gotten in LF (i'm not sure where to find this), what % were Alou's? I'd guess half and half at B+ level (for argument's sake) + half at however bad you think the other half was, doesnt = F.

[Guest Edgy DC]

F is awful. But we get an F plus, merely very bad.

Seriously, check us out relative to the league:

RK	TEAM	OPS in LF
1	Colorado	.985
2	San Francisco	.962
3	Houston	.900
4	Chicago	.885
5	Cincinnati	.864
6	Los Angeles	.847
7	Arizona	.838
8	Milwaukee	.817
9	St. Louis	.815
10	Florida	.815
11	Philadelphia	.786
12	Atlanta	.783
13	Pittsburgh	.780
14	New York	.765
	Ledee 8g	.828
	Alou 29g	.827
	Easley 1g	.800
	Gomez 20g	.797
	Chavez 25g	.735
	Johnson 5g	.616
	Newhan 5g	.541
	Milledge 2g	.000
15	San Diego	.745
16	Washington	.629

I'm willing to bump us up to D- because of the defense and baserunning we get from Chavez and Gomez, but probably not higher.

[Guest Edgy DC]

Grading the pitching against their peers.

Top Starter: B+
Second Starter: B+
Third Starter: A
Fourth Starter: A+
Fifth Starter: C

[nymr83]

who is who? are we going by preseason roles or who i'd NOW consider he top starter?

[Guest Edgy DC]

Rank the starters by their ERAs as starters. Whoever is top is the #1 starter for the purpose of judging the team. If his workload isn't big enough to represent the full 20% of the starts, that slot takes as many typical starts as it needs from the starter with the next best ERA. (If he started more than the 20%, the exceeding games serve the number-two slot also.

The ambiguity about who is best serves the Mets well here. They look good at the top, but great deeper in the rotation.

87 starts in the first half.

#1 Starter is
the 17 starts by Maine + 1 typical start by Perez

#2 Starter is
14 typical starts by Perez + 4 typical starts by Hernandez

#3 Starter is
9 typical starts by Hernandez + 8 typical starts by Sosa

#4 Starter is
3 typical starts by Sosa + 14 typical starts by Glavine

#5 Starter is
3 typcal starts by Glavine + 8 starts by Pelfrey + 2 starts by Vargas + 1 start by Park +1 start by Williams.