4/1/2007 Schaefer Commentary

[Elster88]

Beltran threw an absolutely perfect bullet to nail that scrappy little bastard at home.

Plus the centerfield cam made me feel like I was the one throwing the ball. Great work all around.

[metirish]

Yeah great throw and I thought the same thing about the camera work....

[Gwreck]

I think the camera work was irrelevant to the Schaefer considerations. As was the throw, for that matter. One of those rare instances where I agreed with Morgan/Miller, that unless the throw got Eckstein it wasn't a good idea.

Further, if you thought that was worthy of points, why wasn't Valentin's DP work (particularly in the 8th) worthy?

[Guest Yancy Street Gang]

I gave points to Valentin and to Beltran. And to Alou as well. All mainly for defense, although Beltran's RBI also was a factor.
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[Guest Johnny Dickshot]

IMO, if Beltran deserves credit for that D, so too did LoDuca who as we all remember from last opening day, isn't a sure bet at a play at the plate.

[Frayed Knot]

I missed what Miller/Morgan said (as I was only half-listening) but I assume it had something to do with the throw being to high for the cutoff man (which it was). What makes that throw even better is one-hopping it to LoDuke so it's lower and cut-off-able in the infield instead of hitting him on the fly - but there's no way Beltran should just concede the run and toss it into 2nd (and I soitenly hope that's not what M&M were saying).

But, despite that imperfection, the accuracy was effin' perfect and I'm going give Beltran a few sips for it. And while the camera angle obviously shouldn't factor into things, it was just a really cool shot.

[Guest Yancy Street Gang]

Edgy DC wrote: G-FaFiF, I think the little data-dump tool that tabulates our numbers may mis-read your hyphens as minuses.

No, the hyphens are okay. Since minuses aren't valid, I ignore any hyphens.

The problem is when some rogue voter tries to award negative points.

Some wiseguy saying Wagner -3 after a blown save will actually be giving Wagner 3 points if I don't catch it and void the vote.

[metirish]

What Morgan said was that it was a bad play if Eckstein doesn't get tagged out,but as it was he said it was a great throw and tag .

Question...

When Reyes got picked off Morgan said it was a balk...fair enough but then Miller shot his argument to pieces ,IIRC Miller said that it was ok to deceive the runner once the pitcher was not on the rubber(after stepping towards third_.

Who's right?

[Guest Edgy DC]

Freaking wiseguys.

[Guest Yancy Street Gang]

Wow!

17 votes already!

Great job. Let's keep it up!

[Frayed Knot]

metirish wrote: What Morgan said was that it was a bad play if Eckstein doesn't get tagged out,but as it was he said it was a great throw and tag .

If he's saying that the play was bad because the throw was too high he's (somewhat) right. If he's saying that not getting him alone makes it a bad play then he's wrong.

]When Reyes got picked off Morgan said it was a balk...fair enough but then Miller shot his argument to pieces ,IIRC Miller said that it was ok to deceive the runner once the pitcher was not on the rubber(after stepping towards third. Who's right?

Once breaking contact w/the rubber the pitcher can do pretty much anything he likes.
Balk rules are kind of funky. You CAN step to 3rd and NOT throw (unlike home or 1st) but you'd then have to break w/the rubber before turning to 1st and throwing. Looked to me like Carpenter did.

[dinosaur jesus]

I hate the balk rule anyway. Why is it wrong to deceive the runner? Deception is a natural part of the game. Why outlaw just a few arbitrarily selected forms of it?

[Guest Edgy DC]

Places where deception is outlawed:

1. The balk rule.


2. The infield fly rule.


3. ...

[Guest Yancy Street Gang]

3. Urine analysis

[Elster88]

Gwreck wrote: I think the camera work was irrelevant to the Schaefer considerations.

Oh you think so, Sherlock?

Gwreck wrote: As was the throw, for that matter.

You're wrong

Gwreck wrote: I agreed with Morgan/Miller.

Yep, you're definitely wrong.

Gwreck wrote: that unless the throw got Eckstein it wasn't a good idea.

Good thing the throw got him then.

Gwreck wrote: Further, if you thought that was worthy of points, why wasn't Valentin's DP work (particularly in the 8th) worthy?

Beltran's throw was much more impressive. I'll give Valentin some love for his play in the 8th.

[Guest Yancy Street Gang]

I'm not going to "sticky" it since it's already gotten 20 votes, but I'll be closing the voting for the April 1 game on Wednesday morning. If anyone hasn't voted and wants to, there's still time.

http://cybermessageboard.ehost.com/getalife/viewtopic.php?t=6000

[Gwreck]

="Elster88"] ="Gwreck"]I think the camera work was irrelevant to the Schaefer considerations. Oh you think so, Sherlock?

You brought it up in the "Schaefer Commentary" thread, wiseass. No need for the attitude.

Valentin's play (even if less technically impressive) was more important in determining the result of the game.

[Guest Edgy DC]

Elster88 wrote: Beltran threw an absolutely perfect bullet to nail that scrappy little bastard at home.

I'm thinking of programming our profanity filter to just replace the word "scrappy" with "white."

[Guest vtmet]

I gave points for defense to: Beltran; Valentin; Reyes; Alou;
Pitching points to Glavine;
and offensive points to: Beltran; Delgado; Loduca (Delgado got the most offensive points because his opposite field double "broke the ice" with the Mets first 2 runs of the season)...

[nymr83]

Edgy DC wrote: ="Elster88"]Beltran threw an absolutely perfect bullet to nail that scrappy little bastard at home. I'm thinking of programming our profanity filter to just replace the word "scrappy" with "white."

LMAO it might also read "white, short, and not large enough to be suspected of steroid use"

[Frayed Knot]

His new nickname, btw, is Inseckstein, because he's a small and annoying pest.

[seawolf17]

edit: found it.

[Elster88]

Edgy DC wrote: ="Elster88"]Beltran threw an absolutely perfect bullet to nail that scrappy little bastard at home. I'm thinking of programming our profanity filter to just replace the word "scrappy" with "white."

Why, you don't know any scrappy non-white players?

[Elster88]

="Gwreck"] ="Elster88"] ="Gwreck"]I think the camera work was irrelevant to the Schaefer considerations. Oh you think so, Sherlock? You brought it up in the "Schaefer Commentary" thread, wiseass. No need for the attitude.

You're killing me brother.

[Guest Edgy DC]

Elster88 wrote: ="Edgy DC"] Elster88 wrote: Beltran threw an absolutely perfect bullet to nail that scrappy little bastard at home. I'm thinking of programming our profanity filter to just replace the word "scrappy" with "white." Why, you don't know any scrappy non-white players?

Yes, I do, but it's applied journalistically almost exclusively to white players.

[Elster88]

Edgy DC wrote: ="Elster88"] Edgy DC wrote: ="Elster88"]Beltran threw an absolutely perfect bullet to nail that scrappy little bastard at home. I'm thinking of programming our profanity filter to just replace the word "scrappy" with "white." Why, you don't know any scrappy non-white players? Yes, I do, but it's applied journalistically almost exclusively to white players.

I have a theory that many journalists (typically a white middle-aged male) think they coulda been ballplayers if only they had worked harder. So when they see a smaller dude busting his ass they patronizingly use the word scrappy because they think "If only I had worked that hard". That way they can avoid acknowledging that the smaller white dude has any athletic ability whatsoever.

Of course this probably can only be true if the stereotypical middle-aged white sportswriter is more than a stereotype.

For myself, I think the word scrappy is fun to say. I'm gonna have to add it to the appropriate NBF thread.

[Guest Yancy Street Gang]

Scroll down to the bottom of the box score:

http://www.leaptoad.com/mets/gamedetail.php?gameno=7233

You'll see that little beer-colored (sort of) box at the bottom of each of the 2006 games as well.

[dinosaur jesus]

"Scrappy" does tend to mean "white." But not always. It can be applied to any undersized, undertalented player. Juan Pierre is often described as scrappy.

[Guest Edgy DC]

Yancy Street Gang wrote: Scroll down to the bottom of the box score: http://www.leaptoad.com/mets/gamedetail.php?gameno=7233 You'll see that little beer-colored (sort of) box at the bottom of each of the 2006 games as well.

We should be fucking honored.

[seawolf17]

I fucking hated Scrappy. He totally ruined the show.