Where do i find a current list of top Met prospects?

[Vic Sage]

Knot, I'm speaking to you!

[MFS62]

Here ya' go.
From Gotham Baseball:

http://www.gothambaseball.com/news/1156661106.php

If I find another list, I'll post it here.

Later

[Guest Edgy DC]

Hi, Mark.

[Guest Mark Healey]

Edgy DC wrote: Hi, Mark.

lol...

[Frayed Knot]

="Vic Sage"]Knot, I'm speaking to you!

Didn't realize I was the authority on this sort of thing.


Baseball America will start their annual take on each team probably starting in the next week or two. They'll release their review of a new team every few days at their website (or one division at a time via their bi-monthly newsstand magazine) between early November and around February or so -- meaning that their NYM list could be as soon as next week or not for a few months yet depending on which order they choose.
A non-subscriber will get access to some info via the site but blocked out of others (like you'll get their top-10 list but not individual scouting reports). If you want the write-ups find a newsstand and buy the one issue where they scout the NL East. If top-10 isn't enough for you they sell a handbook where they go 30-deep in each system.

John Sickels is also considered an authoritative view on this sort of thing and will do a similar review for minorleaguebaseball.com at some point over the winter.


If you want something NOW!!!! a little internet searching will probably turn up various lists with some Met fan's opinion of the minor league world. Whether his/her opinion is worth anything is anyone's guess.

Any list still left over from last year will be so out of date at this time as to be virtually worthless.

[MFS62]

Edgy DC wrote: Hi, Mark.

That post, and his response, both earn high marks.

Later

[Guest Edgy DC]

Mark, do you have a more up-to-date list?

[Vic Sage]

]Any list still left over from last year will be so out of date at this time as to be virtually worthless.

well, yeah, thats the problem. I've searched all over and i'll i'm finding is stuff from the spring 06, at the latest.

I have no interest in PAYING for this sort of info, so i guess i'll just have to wait for the BA and Sickels updates.

I just figured our own FK could list our current top 30-50 prospects off the top of his head.

[Guest Edgy DC]

What did Smith do this year? Turned his ankle badly or something, wans't it?

[Guest Mark Healey]

Edgy DC wrote: Mark, do you have a more up-to-date list?

Working on one now...we usually update the laist (even in the offseason) for the realese of each mag issue...as BA and other places do, we use a panel of scouts, team personnel and others to compile the ranksings and this is a tough time to get feedback...I might wait until the Winter Meetings in Orlando (when a lot of those people are in the same place) to do it...

Phil Humber and Mike Carp will def be on the new list, though...

[Frayed Knot]

]I just figured our own FK could list our current top 30-50 prospects off the top of his head.

Hell no, I don't even pretend to be an expert on this sort of stuff.
I'll be shakey after 4 or 5.

Pelfrey & Humber didn't play enough to ruin their 'prospect' status so they'll be at/near the top but I don't think Milledge is still eligible, meaning that the remaining names are going to be mostly lower-level "potential" guys, but no one real polished or all that close to the show.

No use subscribing to BA is all you want is the basic list - although coughing up the 3-4 bucks for that one issue just to get the quickie write-ups on the top 10 guys isn't a bad idea.

[Guest Edgy DC]

Jesus Flores will move up. Martinez certainly didn't hurt himself this year (except that he literally hurt himself). Just treading water, at the rate the Mets have pushed him, is impressive.

I know it's usually not smart to get too excited over minor league relievers when these lists are made. But Henry Owens has to make most top tens. Striking out 74 in 40 innings and holding opponents to a .136 batting average is bootylicious.

Henry is in the Dominican Republic Winter League now.

[Vic Sage]

Okay, so far thats:

major leaguers:
L.Milledge (OF)
A.Hernandez (SS)
B.Bannister (RHP)
A.Soler (RHP)

and:
C.Gomez (OF)
M.Pelfrey (RHP)
P.Humber (RHP)
F.Martinez (OF)
J.Flores ©
H.Owens (RHRP)
J.Niese (LHP)
D.Guerra (RHP)
A.Concepcion (OF)
M.Lindstrom (RHP)
J.Smith (RHP)
M.Carp

keep it going...

[Guest Edgy DC]

Smith and Concepcion are fallback candidates.

[Vic Sage]

what has happened to:

Emmanuel Garcia, SS
Brett Harper, 1B,
Robert Parnell, RHP
Ryan Coultas, SS
Matthew Durkin, RHP
German Marte, RHP
Shawn Bowman, 3B
Nick Evans, 3B
M.Pinango (RHP)
C.Coles (OF)
Michel Abreu (1b)
Kevin Mulvey (RHP)
Bobby Malek (of)
Brandon Nall (RHP)
Steve Schmoll (RHP)
Dustin Martin (OF)
Drew Butera ©
Blake Eager (RHP)

[Frayed Knot]

Vic Sage wrote: Okay, so far thats:

My guesses:

L.Milledge (OF) -- Too much ML time, no longer a prospect
C.Gomez (OF) -- Top 5 guy in our system, I'll be more interested to see how they view this guy in the wider universe of all prospects (that list comes out in early March)
M.Pelfrey (RHP) -- Top 5
P.Humber (RHP) -- Ditto
F.Martinez (OF) -- Ditto again,
J.Flores © -- Top 10
H.Owens (RHRP) -- Not sure how he's viewed
J.Niese (LHP) -- Top 10
D.Guerra (RHP) -- Top 5
A.Concepcion (OF) -- Top 10?
M.Lindstrom (RHP)
J.Smith (RHP)
M.Carp -- Top 10
Anderson Hernandez, SS -- Might not be eligible, and wouldn't rank too high even if he is
Brian Bannister, RHP -- Top 10 if he's still eligible
Alay Soler, RHP -- Too much ML time, not eligible

and what has happened to:

Emmanuel Garcia, SS
Brett Harper, 1B, -- possible top 10
Robert Parnell, RHP -- moving up I'd guess, but nothing eye-popping, possible top 10
Ryan Coultas, SS
Matthew Durkin, RHP
German Marte, RHP
Shawn Bowman, 3B
Nick Evans, 3B
M.Pinango
C.Coles
Michel Abreu (1b)
Kevin Mulvey (RHP) -- Not much of a track record to date
Bobby Malek (of) -- Future utility guy at best
Brandon Nall (RHP)
Steve Schmoll (RHP)
Dustin Martin (OF)
Drew Butera ©
Blake Eager (RHP)

[Vic Sage]

Waner Mateo, RHP
Sean Henry, 2B
Junior Contreras, 1B
Jacob Ruckle, RHP
Parris Austin, OF
Hector Pellot, 2B
Corey Ragsdale, SS
Edgar Alfonzo, LHP
Jose Coronado, SS
Aaron Hathaway, C
Joe Holden, OF
Courtney Billingslea, OF
Matt Spath, OF
Jamar Hill, OF
Andy Wilson, 1B

[Guest Edgy DC]

Soler and Bannister each clocked under 50 innings, so both should still be eligible.

[Guest OlerudOwned]

Emmanuel Garcia, SS
Brett Harper, 1B, -- possible top 10
Robert Parnell, RHP -- moving up I'd guess, but nothing eye-popping, possible top 10
Ryan Coultas, SS
Matthew Durkin, RHP
German Marte, RHP
Shawn Bowman, 3B
Nick Evans, 3B
M.Pinango
C.Coles
Michel Abreu (1b)
Kevin Mulvey (RHP) -- Not much of a track record to date
Bobby Malek (of) -- Future utility guy at best
Brandon Nall (RHP)
Steve Schmoll (RHP) -- DL with bad hammy
Dustin Martin (OF) -- Making strides, but still early
Drew Butera © -- Struggling
Blake Eager (RHP)

[Guest Johnny Dickshot]

]Matthew Durkin, RHP

This guy was Duke's 2nd pick, in a pretty sweet draft position, in '04 I guess.

I know he's been hurt, but what of him otherwise? Like, can he be good? Be a shame to know we'd wasted that pick.

[MFS62]

Miguel Pinango was a minor league free agent - released by the organization.

Later

[Guest Edgy DC]

Andrew Wayne Wilson took a U-Turn. After winning awards going .284 / .370 / .532 // .902 at St. Lucie in 127 games (20 of them behind the plate) in 2005, he regressed to .226 / .303 / .335 // .638 in 90 games in 2006.

He's from Zanesville, OH, the town that makes Mets, so he has that going for him, but he sure didn't look like he's making the big squad anytime soon, and he's 25. Zanesville can't help him now.

[Guest ABG]

Edgy DC wrote: Andrew Wayne Wilson took a U-Turn. After winning awards going .284 / .370 / .532 // .902 at St. Lucie in 127 games (20 of them behind the plate) in 2005, he regressed to .226 / .303 / .335 // .638 in 90 games in 2006. He's from Zanesville, OH, the town that makes Mets, so he has that going for him, but he sure didn't look like he's making the big squad anytime soon, and he's 25. Zanesville can't help him now.

Other than Payton, who else is from Zanesville?

[Guest Edgy DC]

Mike Bordick.

[MFS62]

Waner Mateo, RHP 0-5, 3.94 at Hagerstown

Sean Henry, 2B - being converted to a centerfielder. .275-4-27 at Kingsport,.254-3-14 at Hagerstown.

Junior Contreras, 1B Big guy, 6'5" 230. .288-3-25 at Kingsport, .250 - - (7 games) at Brooklyn.

Jacob Ruckle, RHP 5-2, 3.39 (13 starts) at Brooklyn, 4-4 1.60 (9 games, 6 starts) at St Lucie) a comer, but relatively low K totals.

Parris Austin, OF .167 in 5 games at Kingsport, then ???

Hector Pellot, 2B .189 in 100 G at Hagerstown. 'nuff said.

Corey Ragsdale, SS Where do I begin? He's the poster boy for the Peter Principle. He was elevated to AA this year, and responded with a .204-10-37 season with 182 strikeouts. I still feel that if the Mets hadn't drafted him at #2 and given him a big bonus, he'd have been long gone by now. He reportedly has a very strong arm (to go with his bad hands) and may be tried as a pitcher.

Edgar Alfonzo, LHP 5-7, 6 saves, 3.95 for St. Lucie. his 73IP in 30 G means he's not just a LOOGY. He's still young, but will have to pick it up to stay as a prospect.

Jose Coronado, SS the 18/19 year old was sent to St. Lucie, where he hit .226-4-0 in 138 games. Looks like he was rushed too much.

Aaron Hathaway, C Left the organization early in the year.

Joe Holden, OF The centerfielder hit .300-6-25 in 38 G for Hagerstown, then , for some strange reason, was sent back to Brooklyn, where he hit.230-6-24. It must have been a shock to be demoted.

Courtney Billingslea, OF Hit .125-3-6 with 47K in 96 AB in the GCL. Bye

Matt Spath, OF Hit .229-0-13 in 27 G in the GCL. Bye
Jamar Hill, OF Hit .235-6-28 in 78 G at St. Lucie The halo is starting to tarnish.

Andy Wilson, 1B see Edgy's post.

Later

[Benjamin Grimm]

I don't mind if the Mets hang on to Ragsdale in an attempt to get something from their investment. That kind of thing bothers me more on the big league level than it does in the minors.

Courtney Billingslea? She sounds cute! And she was able to hit three homers! Pretty good!

[MFS62]

Some others:
Emmanuel Garcia, SS .291-3-25 in 47G at Kingsport, then .216-0-0 at Brooklyn (10 G)

Brett Harper, 1B, Played only 19 G at Binghamton,then got injured - out the remainder of the season.

Robert Parnell, RHP His adoptive parent can fill you in.

Ryan Coultas, SS .232-0-0 in 26G for Hagerstown

Matthew Durkin, RHP 0-1 8.59 (14 IP) in GCL, 0-0 0.00 (4.2 IP) at Kingsport, 0-0, 0.00 (3 IP) at Hagerstown. Still a mystery.

German Marte, RHP 2-0, 0.00, 4 S (9 IP) at Brooklyn, 3-0, 4 S, 2.58 at Hagerstown

Shawn Bowman, 3B .252-3-19, 39K in 119 AB at St.Lucie, then injured. Yet to show the promise they anticipated.

Nick Evans, 3B .254-15-67 in 137 G at Hagerstown. He will move up in the prospect lists. Has been projected to move to first base, so Mike Carp will be in his way up the ladder.

Michel Abreu (1b) .332-17-70 at Binghamton. The Cuban refugee's age is anywhere from 27 (listed) to 31 (anecdotal), But ay carramba! He can hit.

My overall analysis - there appear to be no near-term potential middle infield regulars anywhere in the pipeline other than Anderson Hernandez.

Later

[Frayed Knot]

I'm not sure Melville had his ship captain pursue that overgrown fish as much as MFS chases after Ragsdale.
He's an organizational infielder at this point but the minors are full of those guys. Meanwhile, there's no way that mgmt is keeping him around in some vain attempt to recoup 2nd round bonus money from 5 years ago. The dollar amount (whatever it was) simply can't be that high and it's not like Ragsdale's presence is blocking younger stars.

[MFS62]

Frayed Knot wrote: I'm not sure Melville had his ship captain pursue that overgrown fish as much as MFS chases after Ragsdale.

You're not too far off in that estimation.
LOL!


BTW- IIRC his bonus was around $900K. That sounds high for a second rounder, but that the number that sticks in my head.


EDIT:

"Its not personal, Sonny. Its business." Michael Corleone

I'm sure Corey is a nice guy, kind to his mom, buys girl scout cookies and loves animals. But my feelings toward him are out of the frustration that, as you said, he's not blocking anybody. And that's because the Mets haven't come up with any decent middle infielders (except for Reyes) for him to block since they drafted him.

Incidentally, my opinion of Corey led to a 10+ page thread that has lasted all season on another board. Some of the replies in defense of Corey are quite funny, and were intended to be.



Later

[Frayed Knot]

The thing is, you constantly hold him up as THE PRIME example of draft picks gone wrong when, in fact, his journey is far more common than not.

BA once did a study of 10 years worth of draft picks (late '80s thru mid-'90s I think).
Of the 223 2nd Round picks (only counting those who signed) less than 10% (21) became regular players and only 7 of those 21 became what BA considered "good" regulars or legit "stars". Meanwhile, over half (118) [u:579cf6afbf]never played a day[/u:579cf6afbf] in the majors, with the remainder consisting of those who got just a brief cup-of-coffee (66), or those who hung around for a few years as fringe MLers (18).

And bonus money is so structured these days that very few get anything above what the "slot" dictates. I don't think that was anything unusual about the size of his bonus or that it's the reason he's not flipping burgers at this point.