Who should start NLCS Game 7?

[Guest Yancy Street Gang]

I'm not asking for a prediction. If you're Willie Randolph, who do you send to the mound?

[TransMonk]

I said Perez. He's a starter...Darren's not. Keep Ollie on a short leash and if he gets into any trouble send in Ollie. Why have them switch roles now?

[Guest cleonjones11]

Trachsel..with the lesser of two Olivers ready...

[Guest Yancy Street Gang]

I voted for Darren, because I think he's less likely to get into that early trouble.

[Guest Rotblatt]

I said Oliver, but I'd go with Perez. Hell, I'd even go with Trachsel if he's looking good while warming up.

At this point in the season, I think Willie's gut is as good a way to decide as anything.

They all have their upsides and downsides, although personally, I think D. Oliver's a little bit of a safer bet.

[Guest cleonjones11]

Willie just said Oliver Perez in the press conference...poop...

[Frayed Knot]

Perez w/D.O. in reserve because they're more used to those roles than the other way around.



Willie, btw, was just aasked in the post-game Q&A;
Q: 'who is starting tomorrow and why?'

W.R.: Oliver Perez ... because I like him!

[Guest Yancy Street Gang]

Shit. I think we may regret that.

Hope I'm wrong.

[Guest cleonjones11]

Me too...all on a short hook.

[TransMonk]

cleonjones11 wrote: Willie just said Oliver Perez in the press conference...poop...

="Yancy Street Gang"]Shit. I think we may regret that. Hope I'm wrong.

I think it's the right call.

[Zvon]

cleonjones11 wrote: Trachsel..with the lesser of two Olivers ready...

Oh Noeeeees.
I agree with cleon on something.

Trax till a Redbird reaches 2nd and pull him.
Who knows? Maybe he can hold em for 3.

So its Perez?
K, that'll have to do.
I have faith in him.
I believe he can get it done--keep us in it.

[Guest Hillbilly]

Frayed Knot wrote: Perez w/D.O. in reserve because they're more used to those roles than the other way around. Willie, btw, was just aasked in the post-game Q&A; Q: 'who is starting tomorrow and why?' W.R.: Oliver Perez ... because I like him!

The numbers also suggests that you throw lefties against the cards. This actually sets up pretty well.

[Elster88]

I WANT TRACHSEL. OLIVER PEREZ IS GOING TO GET LIT UP. NO WILLIE NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO.

[Elster88]

ALL OF A SUDDEN WE TRUST OLIVER PEREZ SO MUCH THAT WE'RE STARTING HIM ON 3 DAYS REST?!!?!

ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME?!?!?!

[nymr83]

heres what i'd do:

we're "starting" Oliver Perez, right? WRONG, LaRussa submits his lineup card and then notices that Traschel is taking the mound against a lineup designed to face a lefty!

[Guest Yancy Street Gang]

I'm with Elster.

="Zvon"]Trax till a Redbird reaches 2nd and pull him.

That's an absurd idea.

What happens if Eckstein leads off the first with a double on the second pitch? You pull Trachsel? If you're going to do that, you'd have to have Oliver or whoever warming up alongside Trachsel before the game.

That would really boost Trachsel's confidence, wouldn't it?

[TransMonk]

Nymr83 wrote: heres what i'd do: we're "starting" Oliver Perez, right? WRONG, LaRussa submits his lineup card and then notices that Traschel is taking the mound against a lineup designed to face a lefty!

Genius!

[nymr83]

has that been done before? is there a rule i dont know about preventing it?

common sense would prevent it in the regular season as it fucks with your rotation, but now it makes alot of sense if its legal

[Guest Edgy DC]

Probably make more sense to pull that by "starting" Trax and pulling him after one batter for Darren Oliver.

[Zvon]

="Yancy Street Gang"]I'm with Elster. ="Zvon"]Trax till a Redbird reaches 2nd and pull him. That's an absurd idea. What happens if Eckstein leads off the first with a double on the second pitch? You pull Trachsel? If you're going to do that, you'd have to have Oliver or whoever warming up alongside Trachsel before the game. That would really boost Trachsel's confidence, wouldn't it?

Ha! You took me serious.
Trax until trouble is what Im sayin.
Get 3, 4, 5..etc--out of Trax-short, short leash.

The guy is a veteran and he's what we gots.
He can pitch a gem--its possible.
Use him.

]we're "starting" Oliver Perez, right? WRONG, LaRussa submits his lineup card and then notices that Traschel is taking the mound against a lineup designed to face a lefty!

this would be good except LaRussa will delay the game for a half hour questioning it.
(kinda kidden there^)

[nymr83]

either way its a good plan.

[Zvon]

Edgy DC wrote: Probably make more sense to pull that by "starting" Trax and pulling him after one batter for Darren Oliver.

Crafty--I like.

[Guest holychicken]

Elster88 wrote: ALL OF A SUDDEN WE TRUST OLIVER PEREZ SO MUCH THAT WE'RE STARTING HIM ON 3 DAYS REST?!!?! ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME?!?!?!

It's not that I trust Perez, it is that I have absolutely no faith in Trachsel.

First, trachsel got lit up last time he was out. . . he is a shaky emotional pitcher to begin with and I feel that throwing him out there again under the current conditions doesn't play well into his emotions.

Second, Perez, despite giving up five runs last time, did pitch pretty well. When the offense gave him the big lead, he went out and threw strikes and gave up a couple of homers because of it. Trachsel probably would have gone out and walked 3 batters and then given up a couple of homers.

Last, but not least, I think, for the team and the fans, that Perez is more likely to get everyone pumped up. Trachsel style just saps the energy out of people and we want to take as much advantage of HF advantage as we can. If perez runs into trouble, run Oliver out there.

[Zvon]

holychicken wrote: Trachsel style just saps the energy out of people and we want to take as much advantage of HF advantage as we can.

This is an interesting but true point.
Trachsels style/ tempo/nitpicking may not be game 7 start material.
That Ill agree with.
But I still think--he got us here by keeping us in games-
give him the chance to do that.

Tell ya what--if they dont (and it looks 100% sure they wont)--if the Mets go to the BIG SHOW....why even take him along?
He's dun as a Met if he cant help in game 7.
Dun-stick a fork in him.

[Guest Edgy DC]

The reason not to start Trachsel should be more about lack of faith in his health than about him getting lit up the last time out. This forum has called for a lot of recent decisions to be made based on very recent results, and hasn't been so right..

holychicken wrote: First, trachsel got lit up last time he was out. . . he is a shaky emotional pitcher to begin with and I feel that throwing him out there again under the current conditions doesn't play well into his emotions.

He's a shakey emotional pitcher based on what?

[Zvon]

Emotional-HA!

Zvon wrote: He's dun as a Met if he cant help in game 7. Dun-stick a fork in him.

And that would be ashame--its not like we just picked him up afew months ago.
Hes like the oldest serving Met time wise, I think.
He is a major league starting pitcher and has been doing that for us for awhile now.
So we just throw him in the dumpster in a game 7?
Use him for mop up if the Cards blow us out?

Hows he gonna pitch then? (Who cares? Wrong answer.)

I dunno--I dont like this, but if its Perez-its Perez.
He gets my undivided support and cheers.

[Guest holychicken]

Edgy DC wrote: He's a shakey emotional pitcher based on what?

Based on whatever he took time off for personal reasons, how he pitched last game and how he left last game.

[Zvon]

holychicken wrote: ="Edgy DC"]He's a shakey emotional pitcher based on what? Based on whatever he took time off for personal reasons, how he pitched last game and how he left last game.

He always eats his glove when he comes off the mound...........

[Guest Edgy DC]

holychicken wrote: ="Edgy DC"]He's a shakey emotional pitcher based on what? Based on whatever he took time off for personal reasons, how he pitched last game and how he left last game.

That's highly speculative.

He was fine his first time out in LA. HIs early exit was more a result of shakey gloves than shakey feelings.

[Zvon]

listen--i didnt even want Trax on this team at seasons start.
To me, he was a weak link. Gettin long in the tooth.
But we kept him and we are where we are.

If Trax dont start game 7 (or redeem himself in loooooong relief-
maybe he hits afew homers to boot kidding), pack his bags and get him the hell outta there.

And I just dont know if thats right.
Starting pitchers are not a disposable commodity at anytime, no less 4 these Mets in this post season.