IGT 9/12/06 - Mets at Marlins

[Guest ScarletKnight41]

More rain, and our second delay of the night begins.

[metirish]

It doesn't look good as it's raining like crazy in Miami.

[Guest Johnny Dickshot]

Any game with such a lame poll question should be canceled.

Who writes this stuff?

[Guest cooby]

Johnny Dickshot wrote: Any game with such a lame poll question should be canceled. Who writes this stuff?

What is it?

[metirish]

the question was ,"who was the best manager in Mets history"........

[Guest cooby]

sheesh.

[Frayed Knot]

Lame poll questions are rapidly becoming a staple of sports braodcasts.
It's all about getting folks to log onto their websites. Whether they do it with intelligent queries ortotal lameness seems irrelevent to them.

[metirish]

The better question might have been who was the worst manager in Mets history.

[Guest Yancy Street Gang]

I'm not sure how I'd answer that.

Hodges? Johnson? Valentine?

[stevejrogers]

Willie REALLY was one of the options?

Gil, Davey, Bobby V... Who else was an option?

You know, I'd probably put Torre up there

Casey I'd actually say was overated, even as a MFY manager (great innovater, but doesn't have the lineage of say John McGraw and others)! I'd put Yogi also in the top 5 as well

[Guest ScarletKnight41]

Bobby was NOT an option.

Gil, Davey, Willie and one other (Yogi?) were the choices.

[metirish]

How could Bobby not be an option, jesus christ what a lame poll.

[stevejrogers]

metirish wrote: How could Bobby not be an option, jesus christ what a lame poll.

Yup. Guy took a team with holes all over the outfield and in the back of the rotation and made the postseason back-to-back years, and an NL Championship!

What are they only counting Division winners? Is Bobby V persona non grata now? Sheesh!

[Guest KC]

It's subtle stuff like this that could make a team owned network a real turn
off. It's not something to make a big deal about, but to put Willie on instead
of Bobby has to make some people wonder.

It could be a harmless mistake by some jack wad, or it might be advertising
the current product and dismissing someone they let go as a nobody.

Keith caught it, I vote E too.

[stevejrogers]

KC wrote: It's subtle stuff like this that could make a team owned network a real turn off. It's not something to make a big deal about, but to put Willie on instead of Bobby has to make some people wonder. It could be a harmless mistake by some jack wad, or it might be advertising the current product and dismissing someone they let go as a no one.

Yup. Especially when their ad campaign has been how they are going to be the FOX News of New York Sports (as in the "Fair And Balanced" tag line) and this is one way where you can start making a case that they are just the same as everyonelse. (The love of Steve Traschel by the on air staff, showing only Met winning games in their Met Classics, ect)

[Guest Johnny Dickshot]

Ultimately, it takes some viewers for fools and pulls the wool over the eyes of all the others. I'm so insulted I could punch someting.

Ow!

My eye.

[metirish]

Dickshot I tought by now you'd be on I-95 going down to punch the shit outta Uggla.

[metirish]

WOW the game might get going again.....

[stevejrogers]

Bobby is the Mets Billy Martin, well the 75-78 Martin, the guy that is brought in based on success elsewhere and he comes in rocking the boat and transforming a lumbering bunch to a winning bunch. But because of his own insecurities self destructs (on the field in Valentine's case) and needs to be removed for the good of all involved.

And I will say Billy Martin does deserve to be in the Hall as a Manager. Bobby V needs some more MLB gigs

[Guest Edgy DC]

I disagree about Casey. I'd take him over McGraw in a New York minute.*

If Casey can be dismissed as an "innovator," what does that make Connie Mack, who watched the game pass him by relatively early in his career and more-or-less sat there.

*On edit: not really, on reflection, but it's no big insult to be less than McGraw.

[Guest Edgy DC]

Cliff Floyd should not be sent back out to that outfield.

That's what Ricky Ledee is for.

[Guest KC]

I knew there had to be a reason.

[Guest ScarletKnight41]

Ollie gets the first Mets hit of the game.

[Guest Edgy DC]

SteveJRogers wrote: Bobby is the Mets Billy Martin, well the 75-78 Martin, the guy that is brought in based on success elsewhere and he comes in rocking the boat and transforming a lumbering bunch to a winning bunch. But because of his own insecurities self destructs (on the field in Valentine's case) and needs to be removed for the good of all involved. And I will say Billy Martin does deserve to be in the Hall as a Manager. Bobby V needs some more MLB gigs

I missed the part where Bobby Valentine self-destructed.

[Guest Johnny Dickshot]

Josh and Cody. They should be decorators in South Beach.

[stevejrogers]

Edgy DC wrote: ="SteveJRogers"]Bobby is the Mets Billy Martin, well the 75-78 Martin, the guy that is brought in based on success elsewhere and he comes in rocking the boat and transforming a lumbering bunch to a winning bunch. But because of his own insecurities self destructs (on the field in Valentine's case) and needs to be removed for the good of all involved. And I will say Billy Martin does deserve to be in the Hall as a Manager. Bobby V needs some more MLB gigs I missed the part where Bobby Valentine self-destructed.

On the field, not in a Martin-esque way, just as in commanding a team that fell apart in 2002. Yeah self-destruction is an gross overstatement, but I was going for a Bobby V=Billy Martin side-by-side comparision. Also the guy was paranoid and yet constantly did his own bit of saber rattling through the press

[Guest Yancy Street Gang]

The way to compare two people isn't to make something up about one of the two so that he matches the other.

[metirish]

] Also the guy was paranoid and yet constantly did his own bit of saber rattling through the press

I think Bobby was up against a GM that was out to sabotage him in the press.

[Guest KC]

SJR: >>>Also the guy was paranoid and yet constantly did his own bit of saber rattling through the press<<<

Stuff like this needs it's own thread so we can pound the crap out of it, I
disagree completely although early on I thought BV was a bit paranoid.

He got the shaft.

[Guest Edgy DC]

What happened in 2002 is hard to connect to a character flaw of Valentine's.