Movie Trivia

[Frayed Knot]

I was reminded that with the death of Jack Warden the other day that Jack Klugman (juror #5) is the last survivor of the "Twelve Angry Men".
I remember hearing a trivia question a while ago where you had to list all 12 actors by their jury number and by their occupations - all of which were mentioned at some point during the movie.
I confess that I don't know all the answers here myself but I bet we could piece it together.

I'll start with:
#1 (Jury Foreman) Martin Balsam - Football Coach

Take it away (closed book please)!!

[dgwphotography]

Programming note - 12 Angry Men is on TCM - NOW!!!

I won't answer since I'm watching the movie now - this has the makings of a great thread.

[Frayed Knot]

Good, then you can check and see if all the characters actually mention their jobs.

[Vic Sage]

I LOVE this movie. This is what i recall:

Martin Balsam - jury chairman
John Fiedler - weasily little guy who kept changing his mind
Lee J. Cobb - angry guy working out his grief over his dead son (businessman?)
E.G. Marshall - intellectual guy with glasses (professional?)
Jack Klugman - grew up in slums
Jack Warden - obnoxious salesman; trying to get to a ballgame
Henry Fonda - the conscience of the jury (architect?)
Ed Begley - racist with a cold
Robert Webber - dopey ad exec

plus there was:
- the old man (retired?) who supports Fonda
- the immigrant watchmaker
- the blue-collar guy who sticks up for the old man

[Elster88]

Vic Sage wrote: Lee J. Cobb - angry guy working out his grief over his dead son (businessman?)

Juror #3

Henry Fonda - the conscience of the jury (architect?)

Juror #9

Vic Sage wrote: E.G. Marshall - intellectual guy with glasses (professional?)

Juror #4

That's all I got. It's been a while.

[stevejrogers]

Vic Sage wrote: I LOVE this movie. This is what i recall: Martin Balsam - jury chairman John Fiedler - weasily little guy who kept changing his mind Lee J. Cobb - angry guy working out his grief over his dead son (businessman?) E.G. Marshall - intellectual guy with glasses (professional?) Jack Klugman - grew up in slums Jack Warden - obnoxious salesman; trying to get to a ballgame Henry Fonda - the conscience of the jury (architect?) Ed Begley - racist with a cold Robert Webber - dopey ad exec plus there was: - the old man (retired?) who supports Fonda - the immigrant watchmaker - the blue-collar guy who sticks up for the old man

Why am I thinking Jack Lemmon was in it as well?

[Guest Edgy DC]

What makes this worth re-shooting and ripping off in countless movies and tv shows is that jury movies are great showcases for character actors. Only one guy --- be he Henry Fonda or John Cusack --- has to be deep, and the rest of them, all being obstacles that the protagonist has to get past, can all play it broad and have fun.

How can you shoot such movies without Jack Klugmans.

To this day, I think of Jack Klugman and think, "That guy knows how to use a knife."

[stevejrogers]

Because he was in the 1997 remake! Never mind...

From the IMDB
Martin Balsam
John Fiedler
Lee J. Cobb
E.G. Marshall
Jack Klugman
Ed Binns
Jack Warden
Henry Fonda
Joseph Sweeney
Ed Begley
George Voskovec
Robert Webber

[stevejrogers]

Edgy DC wrote: What makes this worth re-shooting and ripping off in countless movies and tv shows is that jury movies are great showcases for character actors. Only one guy --- be he Henry Fonda or John Cusack --- has to be deep, and the rest of them, all being obstacles that the protagonist has to get past, can all play it broad and have fun. How can you shoot such movies without Jack Klugmans. To this day, I think of Jack Klugman and think, "That guy knows how to use a knife."

Also this movie is probably hated by countless of cops and DAs across the countries through the years. Granted it turns out to be the correct decision (apparantly, but I'd love to see the DA's face in the courtroom "All that because a guy was upset over the death of his son?") but thanks to this kind of movie every hack juror is probably thinking "There has got to be one sliver of doubt here..."

[Vic Sage]

Why am I thinking Jack Lemmon was in it as well?

that was the TV remake about 10 years ago. Lemmon played the Fonda part, and it had Hume Cronyn as the old man, and George C. Scott in the Lee J. Cobb role. and the 2 "Tony"s... Danza and Soprano.

[Elster88]

SteveJRogers wrote: Because he was in the 1997 remake! Never mind... From the IMDB Martin Balsam John Fiedler Lee J. Cobb E.G. Marshall Jack Klugman Ed Binns Jack Warden Henry Fonda Joseph Sweeney Ed Begley George Voskovec Robert Webber

So much for closed book. Way to go.

[Vic Sage]

Also this movie is probably hated by countless of cops and DAs across the countries through the years. Granted it turns out to be the correct decision (apparantly, but I'd love to see the DA's face in the courtroom "All that because a guy was upset over the death of his son?") but thanks to this kind of movie every hack juror is probably thinking "There has got to be one sliver of doubt here..."

this is a moronic thing to say.

The jury is the last failsafe in our judicial system to try and get justice in a system that favors the wealthy. The movie offers at least a possibility for weighing rationality, compassion and fairness over irrationality, hatred, bigotry and everything else human beings bring into a jury room with them. It says to people who may one day be on a jury that "you have a duty to rise above both YOUR pettiness and OUR inequities, to try and reach a just result". If that upsets DAs and cops, then they're in the wrong business.

And conviction rates are extremely high, despite high-profile celebrity acquittals, so they usually get their man. The notion that there are juries running wild out there is just such complete utter nonsense.

[stevejrogers]

Vic Sage wrote: Also this movie is probably hated by countless of cops and DAs across the countries through the years. Granted it turns out to be the correct decision (apparantly, but I'd love to see the DA's face in the courtroom "All that because a guy was upset over the death of his son?") but thanks to this kind of movie every hack juror is probably thinking "There has got to be one sliver of doubt here..." this is a moronic thing to say. The jury is the last failsafe in our judicial system to try and get justice in a system that favors the wealthy. The movie offers at least a possibility for weighing rationality, compassion and fairness over irrationality, hatred, bigotry and everything else human beings bring into a jury room with them. It says to people who may one day be on a jury that "you have a duty to rise above both YOUR pettiness and OUR inequities, to try and reach a just result". If that upsets DAs and cops, then they're in the wrong business. And conviction rates are extremely high, despite high-profile celebrity acquittals, so they usually get their man. The notion that there are juries running wild out there is just such complete utter nonsense.

Fair enough. Popular opinion though is that juries are filled with those too stupid not to be able to get out of jury duty, so thats probably all it is, popular opinion then.

[Elster88]

SteveJRogers wrote: Popular opinion though is....

Again?

[Guest Edgy DC]

I don't get out of jury duty, and I'm fucking brilliant.

My opinion is that juries often have people too unselfish to get out of jury duty.

[stevejrogers]

Edgy DC wrote: I don't get out of jury duty, and I'm fucking brilliant. My opinion is that juries often have people too unselfish to get out of jury duty.

True, probably too many people use the "I'd lock them up no matter what!" answer when asked about the circumstances of a case rather than say safe things like "Well I'd have to know all the facts of the case" even if its a open and shut case

[Guest Edgy DC]

I think once you get them downtown to the courthouse, the typical person is more consicenscious than that about the gravity of rendering justice.

[stevejrogers]

Edgy DC wrote: I think once you get them downtown to the courthouse, the typical person is more consicenscious than that about the gravity of rendering justice.

Fair enough. I guess no one is pulling a Larry David (from CYE couple of years ago pulling the Seinfeld card and the "I hate minorities" card) or a situation I heard where a woman actually said she'd lock someone up if they got arrested on any drug charge (a suburb court)

[Elster88]

I was on jury duty once, for a week-long criminal case of First Degree Assault (not sure if that was the charge, but it was whatever one is defined as "the person under attack could've died"). I was absolutely horrified by the experience. At one point, one of the jurors said during our deliberations (out loud and verbatim) "Oh Jesus, please don't let me send this poor boy to jail." I have no faith in the jury system since that case, which isn't really fair since it's such a small sample size. But it is how I feel these days.

I was further horrified watching TV following the Jayson Williams acquittal. This one is not verbatim, but pretty darn close "I thought he did it, but I voted not guilty because he seemed like he was sorry for what he did."

[Frayed Knot]

I LOVE this movie.

Is there anyone who doesn't?



This is what i recall:

Martin Balsam - jury chairman
And, as I mentioned, a HS football coach

John Fiedler - weasily little guy who kept changing his mind
#2 - An accountant or some other clerk-type guy

Lee J. Cobb - angry guy working out his grief over his dead son (businessman?)
#3 - he ran a messenger company. At one point he gives his card to one of the others

E.G. Marshall - intellectual guy with glasses (professional?)
#4 - Stockbroker

Jack Klugman - grew up in slums
#5 - Not sure if his job was metioned (although the quiz I remember claims they all were)

Jack Warden - obnoxious salesman; trying to get to a ballgame
#7 - salesman is, I believe, correct

Henry Fonda - the conscience of the jury (architect?)
#8 - Architect indeed

Ed Begley - racist with a cold
#10? - That's Ed Begley Sr of course, don't know the occupation

Robert Webber - dopey ad exec
#12 - Ad exec


plus there was:

- the old man (retired?) who supports Fonda
#9 - I assume retired is correct

the immigrant watchmaker
#11

- the blue-collar guy who sticks up for the old man
#6 - Edward Binns was the actor. Worked as a painter or laborer of some sort. Wasn't used to making decisions.

[Guest Edgy DC]

I try not to judge people broadly by how they behave in HBO comedies.

[Benjamin Grimm]

I was thinking about opening a closed book thread in the Baseball Forum, but I figured that somebody (ahem) would eagerly post the full answers. Now I read this thread and I see that my suspicion was accurate and warranted.

Maybe I'll give it a shot anyway.

[stevejrogers]

Yancy Street Gang wrote: I was thinking about opening a closed book thread in the Baseball Forum, but I figured that somebody (ahem) would eagerly post the full answers. Now I read this thread and I see that my suspicion was accurate and warranted. Maybe I'll give it a shot anyway.

Hey I just posted the names of the actors

Watch it Ben...err Reed

[Guest Edgy DC]

Hey I just posted the names of the actors

Which unequivocally disregarded what the questioner asked you not to do.

[stevejrogers]

Edgy DC wrote: Hey I just posted the names of the actors Which unequivocally disregarded what the questioner asked you not to do.

Ah, I thought most of them had allready been given.

Again I need to RMPL

[Benjamin Grimm]

Especially the PL part.