All Purpose Schaefer Discussion Thread

[Frayed Knot]

Endy deserves a little glove love for his role in a one-hitter in Sunday's beer polls

[Guest ScarletKnight41]

Frayed Knot wrote: Endy deserves a little glove love for his role in a one-hitter in Sunday's beer polls

Please explain.

[Frayed Knot]

He played a nice CF.
On a day where we managed 2 measley singles until Delgado's too-little/too-late HR in the 9th and the starter gave up 6 BBs & a HBP, a little defense is worth a few sips of beer.

[Guest ScarletKnight41]

For those of us who were, let's say, at a Labor Day party and who could only follow the progress of the game via quick glances at one's cell phone display, did he do anything specific that you could describe?

[Frayed Knot]

Just a couple of nice running catches in CF that helped keep the game as close as it was. Worthy of a few sips.

[Gwreck]

I'm glad that Carlos (no, the other one) spoiled the shutout in Houston too, but I'm going to pick up my crusade about solo homers when we're down two not being that helpful.

2 points for Delgado is excessive.

[Guest cleonjones11]

Frayed Knot wrote: Endy deserves a little glove love for his role in a one-hitter in Sunday's beer polls

Glove Love ? David Wrights suds in previous post

Is this a bathhouse? and no I don't want in

Not that there's anythong wrong with it.....

[Guest ScarletKnight41]

Gwreck wrote: I'm glad that Carlos (no, the other one) spoiled the shutout in Houston too, but I'm going to pick up my crusade about solo homers when we're down two not being that helpful. 2 points for Delgado is excessive.

I disagree. Turning a 2-run deficit into a one-run deficit is pretty important, IMO.

[metsmarathon]

win expectancy going into the delgado at bat (based on retrosheet data from 79-04 http://www.walkoffbalk.com/): .007 (24 wins / 3331 games)

win expectancy from any of the outcomes of delgado's at bat:

home run - .026 (100 / 3787)
on third - .019 (5 / 264)
on second - .018 (15 / 833)
on first - .028 (52 / 1830)

using the most recent data available, 00-04, the win expectancies are as follows:

going in - .005 (3 / 605)
home run - 0.027 (19 / 691)
on third - .016 (1 / 62)
on second - .028 (7 / 247)
on first - .024 (8 / 330)

you wouldn't think that getting a single or a walk is as much or more likely to lead to a win as a home run. but it looks like it is. odd that a triple looks like the least best way to bring about a win...

if i were to speculate on teh root of the data, i would guess that walks are the root of the first base boost. a wilder pitcher being less able to subsequently get hte necessary out to close out the game. but that's a guess.

regardless, these are fairly small sample sizes, and, especailly from 00-04, one game either way really swings the numbers.

i guess you could say a walk or single is as important as a home run in teh situation, but it looks like both are better than a triple. go figure.

[Guest Yancy Street Gang]

Voting for the final game of the Rockies series would normally have ended on Tuesday, but because of the Labor Day holiday, nobody seems to be around.

So voting for that game, and for the Houston series, will be extended by a day or two.

[Gwreck]

Thanks for digging up that data. Fascinating.

I probably was devaluing the homer slightly in my analysis, but it's interesting to note that having baserunners and the tying run at the plate changes things rather than a solo homer.

As for the Schaefer voting -- I wouldn't deny Carlos points, I just think 2 is too much. I think he's getting a larger point total due to the overall dearth of Schaefer-worthy performances.

[Guest ScarletKnight41]

Gwreck wrote: As for the Schaefer voting -- I wouldn't deny Carlos points, I just think 2 is too much. I think he's getting a larger point total due to the overall dearth of Schaefer-worthy performances.

Certainly. If other people had productive at bats, it wouldn't garner as much beer. But the home run was the only game in town yesterday, so it will garner more suds than it would have on a day that there was more offense.

[Guest ScarletKnight41]

David Wright deserves a sip of beer tonight for sparing us from the indignity of being no-hit by the Evil Braves.

Not a lot, mind you. But a sip is appropriate.

[Gwreck]

ScarletKnight41 wrote: David Wright deserves a sip of beer tonight for sparing us from the indignity of being no-hit by the Evil Braves. Not a lot, mind you. But a sip is appropriate.

I'm going to disagree. It wasn't a "prevent the no-hitter" situation from yesterday -- it was the 2nd, not the 7th or 8th inning -- and he got throwing out trying to stretch.

I also think you reversed Bell and Ring's points. Bell: 1.2 innings, including coming in with bases-loaded, 1 out and allowing no runs. Ring goes 2 scorless, but he gets double the points?

[Guest ScarletKnight41]

I went for the two innings over the 1.2, but I can see bumping the thick legged one up a little.

[Guest Edgy DC]

Nice to see somebody else throw some love at Julio Franco simply for talking back. He's retained his stoic demeanor through a lot of bad calls the last few weeks, and he did his otherwise flat team a favor by showing some fire.

I don't need anybody to get tossed or abuse an ump to sate me on an otherwise empty day, but there's nothing wrong with talking back to power when injustice should occur.

[Guest Yancy Street Gang]

Voting for the August 31 game against Colorado will close on Wednesday.

Only seven voters so far, which is pretty low. If you haven't voted, and care to, please do so.


Low totals for the games against Houston, too. Voting for those will end on Thursday.

[Guest Yancy Street Gang]

Doesn't anybody want to cast Schaefer votes for the Mets-Houston series?

[Guest cooby]

I think if you unstick them, more people will notice your player of the month announcement

[Guest Yancy Street Gang]

Hmmm. Maybe.

I'll be unsticking them tomorrow anyway.

[Guest cooby]

Yeah but then you'll stick some more up there!

[Guest cooby]

Hey I just remembered, there's a doubleheader today

[Guest Yancy Street Gang]

Despite his poor August, David Wright is hanging in there, and is surprisingly close to Carlos Beltran in the race for the big prize.


Season-to-date totals for 2006
Through game of September 4, 2006

Rank	Name	Points
1	Carlos Beltran	113.03
2	David Wright	108.99
3	Jos� Reyes	98.42
4	Carlos Delgado	96.31
5	Tom Glavine	67.01
6	Pedro Martinez	56.43
7	Paul Lo Duca	51.94
8	Jos� Valentin	48.84
9	Steve Trachsel	47.13
10	Orlando Hernandez	42.05
11	Xavier Nady	40.15
12	Endy Chavez	37.39
13	Billy Wagner	35.22
14	Cliff Floyd	34.12
15	Aaron Heilman	31.96
16	Darren Oliver	29.08
17	John Maine	28.28
18	Duaner Sanchez	27.65
19	Chad Bradford	23.59
20	Pedro Feliciano	20.33
21	Alay Soler	17.56
22	Lastings Milledge	16.59
23	Chris Woodward	14.08
24	Brian Bannister	13.54
25	Ramon Castro	10.24
26	Julio Franco	10.01
27	Heath Bell	9.53
28	Dave Williams	8.34
29	Kaz Matsui	7.97
30	Roberto Hernandez	5.49
31	Jorge Julio	5.37
32	Mike Pelfrey	5.19
33	Michael Tucker	4.67
34	Victor Zambrano	4.66
35	Royce Ring	3.78
36	Shawn Green	3.64
37	Jeremi Gonzalez	3.25
38	Guillermo Mota	3.08
39	Eli Marrero	2.41
40	Henry Owens	0.89
41	Anderson Hernandez	0.57
42	Victor Diaz	0.32
43	Bartolome Fortunato	0.28
44	Mike DiFelice	0.14
45	Jos� Lima	0.12
46	Oliver Perez	0.07

[Guest Yancy Street Gang]

Voting for both games of the doubleheader sweep over Atlanta will close on Saturday.

[Zvon]

We chat about it in here Val.

Keeps things simpler for Yance.

[Guest Yancy Street Gang]

Thanks, Zvon.

On Wednesday morning voting for the remaining games against Los Angeles will close.

• Friday
• Saturday
• Sunday

Be heard, yo!

[Guest Yancy Street Gang]

Voting for Monday night's game in Miami will close on Thursday morning.

The Schaefer Mets Player of the Year race has become a real battle.

Carlos Beltran's lead over David Wright is down to a mere 0.87 points.

[metsmarathon]

I figured i'd show my work for the 16-5 drubbing. apparently, 5 runs of offense and a decent inning's worth of work is enough to trigger a full ten points from me.

the top six contributers in teh game were as follows. they recieved a total of 20.8 um... marathon... points. when the total exceeds 20, that means i have 10 schaeffer points to give out.

a run is worth one point, a hit a quarter point, and so on. add up the points for each guy, then prorate to ten. then i round those prorated figures, usually up, to get whole number schaeffer points.

i figured i'd post this to address any questions as to why i'm giving out so muh beer in such a lopsided loss. the shitty performance of dave williams (minus 11.75 marathon points) doesn't detract from the performance of those who actually tried to contribute.

	R	H	RBI	BB	SO	LOB	HR	TB	SF/SH	GIDP	SB	CS	E	DP	OF A
Beltran	1	1	1			1	1	4
Milledge	1	1	1					2
Delgado	1	1	1	1	1	1		1
Floyd	1	1	2		2		1	4
Chavez	1			1
multiplier >>	1	0.25	1	0.5	-0.25	-0.1	1	0.5	0.5	-0.5	0.5	-0.25	-1	0.25	0.5	sum	prorate	points
Beltran	1	0.25	1	-	-	(0.1)	1	2.0	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	5.15	2.48	3
Milledge	1	0.25	1	-	-	-	-	1.0	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	3.25	1.56	2
Delgado	1	0.25	1	0.5	(0.25)	(0.1)	-	0.5	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	2.90	1.39	1
Floyd	1	0.25	2	-	(0.50)	-	1	2.0	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	5.75	2.76	3
Chavez	1	-	-	0.5	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	1.50	0.72	0
																-	-	-
	IP	H	R	ER	BB	SO	HR	IR	IRS	W	L	BS	H	SV		-	-	-
Rhernandez	1	1				1		2	1							-	-	-
																-	-	-
multiplier >>	2	-0.25	-0.5	-0.5	-0.25	0.5	-0.5	0.5	-1	1	-5	-1	0.75	1.25		-	-	-
Rhernandez	2	(0.25)	-	-	-	0.5	-	1.0	(1)	-	-	-	-	-		2.25	1.08	1
															total	20.80	10.00	10

and if somebody could tell me why there's al lhtat blank space before my table, id really appreciate it.

OE: never mind. i figured it out. its all the line breaks left in the coding for the table. interesting... better now.

[Guest Yancy Street Gang]

I'm more surprised by your voting for last night's game, where Perez (5 IP 4 ER) gets three times as many points as David Wright (3 for 5, two 2B, R, RBI)

[Guest Johnny Dickshot]

I barely understand what mm is doing up there but I love it.