Selfish and Stupid

[MFS62]

I heard a sound byte on ESPN radio this morning in which ChiSox GM Ken Williams called ex-Sock Frank Thomas "selfish and stupid".

Are there any current Mets you would describe that way?
Any past ones?

Later

[Guest Bret Sabermetric]

All current Mets are saints and genuises, until proven otherwise in a court of law.

[Guest Bret Sabermetric]

As to past Mets, it doesn't matter anymore. Get over it.

[MFS62]

Bret Sabermetric wrote: As to past Mets, it doesn't matter anymore. Get over it.

Hey!
Some healthy vitriol is a way to wake everyone up on a Monday morning.

Later

[Guest Bret Sabermetric]

Just cutting to the chase here, is all.

[Elster88]

Is it absolutely necessary to have a healthy dose of sarcasm interjected into each thread before anyone has a chance to respond? Maybe not for every thread?

[Guest Bret Sabermetric]

Why not name a full list of all the current Mets you consider dumb or selfish? Is it necessary to have a criticism of my sarcasm every time it appears?

[Elster88]

]have a criticism of my sarcasm every time it appears?

I rarely criticize your sarcasm.

As for a list of selfish Mets, isn't that right up your alley?

[Willets Point]

I don't think anything in this forum could be described as necessarry. It's a whole lot of unneccessarry things. But fun.

[Guest Bret Sabermetric]

Elster88 wrote: As for a list of selfish Mets, isn't that right up your alley?

That's why I'm giving you the benefit of my experience commenting on Mets' selfish or stupid behavior. If you can't prove it in a court of law, it will be derided, or even cited as evidence of your stupidity or selfishness. The only valid defense I ever read here of Piazza's taking three or four years to move to 1B is that it's not, under a strict constructionist reading of the U.S. Constitution, technically illegal to set a priority of holding the all-time record for HRs as a catcher. Otherwise, it's a slamdunk that he was putting his own personal record above that of the team's record, but we pretty much stuck to the strict constructionist reading and so labelled Mike "unselfish" around here. By that standard, you'll never find a ballplayer who qualifies as selfish.

Oh, I also heard a lot of "He's entitled to do what he wants to, he's a star, he's done so much for us, cut him some slack," too.

[Elster88]

LOL. Now that's what I was looking for.

Ok, so Piazza is added to the list. Who else we got?

(BTW, Bret, I'm assuming your answer to my original question is "Yes")

[metirish]

WOW, to wrangle in the U.S. Constitution with Piazza's move to first base is quite amazing, it could be argured that Art Howe expressed his right under the First Amendment when telling the media before telling Piazza that he was playing first base.

[Guest Bret Sabermetric]

Elster88 wrote: LOL. Now that's what I was looking for. Ok, so Piazza is added to the list. Who else we got? (BTW, Bret, I'm assuming your answer to my original question is "Yes")

FLASH: Bret Considers Piazza Selfish.

You know, Elster, I haven't posted much here in years that didn't have some edge of sarcastic attitude to it, including this sentence. Not saying that's good or anything, just that it's so.

[Guest KC]

I guess Rey Ordo�ez would be a good example. Let�s face
it long time posters, Bret has taken it upon himself to make
this as much un-fun for me and for Edgy and hides behind
anti-Mets sentiment. I was as big a Rey fan as there could
be on the internet and I�m man and fan enough to say he
turned out to be a real dick and can acknowledge that. In-
stead of just posting, every other post by Bret has to be
sprinkled with a dose of, "oy, the cpf is this" and "oy, the
cpf is that".

Selfish and stupid Mets indeed, the irony is so great I nearly
soiled myself.

[Elster88]

Bret Sabermetric wrote: You know, Elster, I haven't posted much here in years that didn't have some edge of sarcastic attitude to it, including this sentence. Not saying that's good or anything, just that it's so.

Eh. I shouldn't be complaining about anyone else being sarcastic.

[Guest Bret Sabermetric]

What's with this sick and unhealthy obsession with me? Let's talk Mets baseball, huh?

[Guest KC]

Please, don't talk to any long time poster here about obsessive behavior.

[Guest Bret Sabermetric]

KC wrote: Selfish and stupid Mets indeed, the irony is so great I nearly soiled myself.

I wish you wouldn't talk about bodily functions as often as you do, however. It's unseemly. Cut out the filth, would you?

[Guest KC]

Sal's referring to an email I sent him asking him not talk about his trenchcoat
that had vommit and feces on it ... if anyone was wondering.

I think it's in the Adam thread.

[Guest Rotblatt]

]I heard a sound byte on ESPN radio this morning in which ChiSox GM Ken Williams called ex-Sock Frank Thomas "selfish and stupid". Are there any current Mets you would describe that way?

Todd Self.

(bada bum bum clang)

[Guest Bret Sabermetric]

And now back to our regularly scheduled discussion of Mets' baseball.

Ordonez, I would say, was both selfish and stupid. Good call, KC. Piazza was selfish, but kinda cunning, in playing his image so well. He enabled himself to get away with a lot of me-first stuff. (Of course, he also played terrific baseball for years, which also helped a lot.) Bonilla was egotistical (not sure if that's quite the same as "selfish") but not particularly stupid, either. I felt Leiter was very smart, in an evil way, in advancing his own agenda.

Willie, I would argue (and have argued) may not be firing on all six cylinders, as managers go. He was a smart player, but he's in a whole nother league now, so to speak, and among managers he may not have the requisite fire-power. Peterson, OTOH, is smart but selfish.

[Elster88]

Peterson is allegedly selfish, at the least.

[Guest KC]

BS: >>>Good call, KC<<<

Sod off, assclown.

[Guest Bret Sabermetric]

Could we please stay on the topic of Mets' baseball?

[Guest KC]

No, we can't. I need a condescending attaboy from you like I
need the mumps.

[Guest Bret Sabermetric]

Then could you at least open a separate thread complaining about how I'm making terrible fun of you and Edgy and whoever else? If you keep this up here, sooner or later someone's going to blame this hijacked trainwreck on me, and we don't want that. I don't anyway.

Anyway, I think this "Selfish or Stupid" stuff is way too binary. There's selflsh, stupid, egotistical, evil, clueless (which is different from "stupid" in that it denotes willful stupidity), short-sighted, arrogant, red-assed, two-faced, chickenshit, mean, and probably dozens of other categories of human fallibility that apply to ballplayers--fitting them all into just 'selfish" or "stupid" seems bound to result in inaccurate characterizations.

[Guest KC]

I don't need another thread, the selfish and stupid thread is the perfect place
for me to air my thoughts and that's what I've done. No one is going to blame
anyone for anything, especially not for any alleged hijacked trainwrecks.

[Guest Bret Sabermetric]

KC wrote: I don't need another thread, the selfish and stupid thread is the perfect place for me to air my thoughts and that's what I've done. No one is going to blame anyone for anything, especially not for any alleged hijacked trainwrecks.

"The Red Light Forum
Got ill will for another poster? Well, get over yourself. Else, take it here and keep it out of everybody's face. "

[Guest KC]

You're the one with ill will and the one who needs to get over themselves.
It's like you're pitching volley balls to me today - your cute innuendo and
clever stuff like let's get back to baseball is horsehockey and everyone who
has been here for any length of time knows you're being a phony piece of
dog doo by taking that approach.

[Guest Bret Sabermetric]

If you don't stop disobeying the clearly outlined rules of forum propriety, I'm going to use my Administrative powers to move this personal invective to the appropriate forum, so we can let people who are interested in Mets' baseball-- and totally bored by your plain hostility to me (that I don't get at all, since I have none towards you)-- get back to the ostensible subject of this thread.

Of which, further categories of ballplayer malfunctions might include self-promotion, anger-management issues, cultural or racial misunderstandings, mischanneled competitive issues, or a selective sense of personal privacy/publicity boundaries.