Cameron/Beltran

[Frayed Knot]

[u:2f5652f317]Cameron[/u:2f5652f317]

Duquette: "alert, concious, moving"

Ed Coleman (a bit later):
- still hospitalized -- may accompany team to LA
- cut lip(s), maybe missing teeth,
- a bit groggy



[u:2f5652f317]Beltran[/u:2f5652f317]

EC:
- sore left shoulder, cuts on face,
- will go with team to LA
- no concussion - although doesn't remember the collision


And - just for good measure - [u:2f5652f317]Floyd[/u:2f5652f317]
- will get precautionary X-Rays on knee

[Guest Beenso]

anyone else to add?

[seawolf17]

[u:8860a658d1]Mets Fans[/u:8860a658d1]

- starting to panic
- thinking that wild card race looks like a much longer shot than it did two hours ago
- hoping it's nothing serious

[Guest martin]

the fan is saying cameron has fractures in his cheekbones i think it is, as well as his nose, and is definitely on the DL.

[Frayed Knot]

7:55 update (WFAN):

Cameron: Broken nose, fractures of cheek bone(s), slight concussion
Will remain in hospital overnight
Has been placed on DL - Diaz called up


Beltran:
Groggy, being taken for a CAT scan
Sore shoulder, cuts on left side of face


Floyd:
Sore knee - no official word.
Unlikely to start tomorrow

[nymr83]

the thought of Diaz, Anderson, and Woodward/Williams being our starting outfield for even a day is scary. the thought of any but Diaz being in there more than a week is terrifying.

[Guest Edgy DC]

Well, there's also Eric Valent, Brian Daubach (who won yesterday's game with a bases-loaded triple), Ron Calloway, Eric Brazell, Prentice Redman, and Angel Pagan.

But your greater implied point seems to be that the Mets have been too long operating without a backup major league outfielder ready to step into a starting role. True.

[MFS62]

Its Craig Brazell.
How soon they forget...

sigh

Later

[Guest cooby]

Just watched this on this evening's rebroadcast. What a terrible scene

[Guest cooby]

And now I just saw Cliffy get hit. Good lord...

[Guest Edgy DC]

Of course.

Vat vas I thinking.

[Guest Edgy DC]

Small mercy, but it looks like they hit face to face, rather than head to head, suggesting maybe the danger of fractures to the face (what Cammy ultimately seems to have) are greater than the dangers of fractures to the skull and potential brain injures.

Trying to think as positively as possible here.

Yikes.

[Guest ScarletKnight41]

What scared me was seeing Cammie just down there, not moving at all, for all of those minutes.

[Guest cooby]

I was glad to be watching it all after the fact; even though it still turned out very badly, watching it live must have been scary.

Beltran looked far worse than his injury list suggests, but I have been told by people who have gotten hit very hard on the head that the first thing you want to do is throw up, so I guess that is consistent with how he looked.

[Guest silverdsl]

I saw the video of the collision a little while ago - absolutely horrible! As bad as it is that Cameron and Beltran were injured at all when I first heard about this on the radio, that Cameron had to be taken off on a stretcher with a neck brace I feared the worst. Very scary - so glad that Cameron's injuries weren't worse! Hopefully they both return to full health as quickly as possible.

[metirish]

I for what ever reason didn't know about the collision until I saw a scroll on ESPN, so I watched the replay of the game and I was shocked,it was just great to see Cameron moving his legs and arms while on the field, get well soon guys.

[Guest Johnny Dickshot]

Horrific.

New leader on "Games I'm Glad I Missed, 2005"

[Guest Edgy DC]

You have no idea.

Both cheekbones and the nose fractured for Cammie. The blow must've been bizzarely perfect (and unimaginably painful) to get both sides of his face like that.

Not something I talk about every day, but he's got some nice cheekbones too.

Looks like he's out for the year.

[Guest Edgy DC]

Marty Noble does a heckuva job with a crappy story at MLB.com.

[Guest Yancy Street Gang]

I was listening to Gary and Howie on the car radio when the collision occurred. (I still haven't seen a clip of the play; I don't plan to seek one out.) Listening to the description, I was afraid at first that Cameron had a broken neck and was paralyzed. All things considered, I'm glad he only ended up with a broken face.

They also said that Beltran was unable to lift his left arm above the shoulder. If he's now listed as day-to-day, I assume that he's gotten his arm mobility back.

I wouldn't be surprised if Cameron is done for the season, but I don't know that a September return is out of the question. Does anybody remember how much time Dave Parker missed after John Stearns broke his face?

[Guest Yancy Street Gang]

Meanwhile, for the first time ever, George Theodore is the most popular UMDB lookup on August 11.

Coincidence? Of course not!

[seawolf17]

Yancy, the UMDB mirrors life -- no, is life. That's why it's worshipped the way it is.

[Guest Rotblatt]

Terrible, terrible stuff. I'm so glad it's not worse . . .

Anyway, our lineup was embarassing before this, and now afterwards, it's going to be even more so, unless we make a change or two. There's NO WAY Woody or Cairo or Anderson should be starting regularly at 1B. We should've called Valent or Daubach up when Mientkiewicz went on the DL. I don't see how we can afford Williams AND all those middle infielders on our bench.

I'm assuming that Williams will play CF tonight, which is kind of a disaster, when you consider a lineup of:

Reyes, SS
Wright, 3B
Floyd, LF
Piazza, C
Diaz, LF
Cairo, 2B
Anderson, 1B
Williams, CF

Or, since this IS Willie we're talking about:

Reyes, SS
Cairo, 2B
Floyd, LF
Wright, 3B
Anderson, 1B (gotta have that L/R/L/R!!!)
Piazza, C
Williams, CF
Diaz, LF

That's like 3.5 legitimate threats in the lineup (giving Piazza only a .5). Cairo's got a good approach at the plate, but no one's scared of him, Diaz is young (albeit one with potential), Anderson's a scrub, and Williams is useless.

I would much rather have a 1B with at least the POTENTIAL for power, ala Valent (who is still tearing it up in Norfolk and managed a >.800 OPS for us not that long ago) or Daubach (if Petagine can get a shot on the defending WC Sox, then why can't Daubach, who has put up eerily similar numbers in Norfolk at a similarly advanced age?).

And frankly, I'd rather put Beltran on the DL as well and call up Pagan to fill in for him. Pagan's been fairly hot lately and has put up significantly better numbers than Williams (Pagan's at .267/.324/.400/.724 OPS for the season. He's also at the cusp of 100 K's, which is a little disturbing for a speedy guy--22 SB/9 CS--who doesn't have much power).

I mean, come on, doesn't this look better?

Reyes, SS
Wright, 3B
Floyd, LF
Piazza, C
Valent, 1B
Diaz, RF
Cairo, 2B
Pagan, CF

I'd take that lineup through the next 15 days, at which point, we can recall Beltran and send Pagan back down.

Oh, and for an update, the FAN kept saying that Beltran couldn't remember the hit last night, which is a little worriesome.

[Frayed Knot]

]Does anybody remember how much time Dave Parker missed after John Stearns broke his face?

As I recall it was only a day or two.
Of course when he resumed playing he was wearing a half hockey goaltenders mask.



P.S. Our "embarrassing" lineup is 5th in the league in runs scored.
And I'd prefer to leave the decision on whether Beltran goes to the DL to the doctors and staff.

[Guest Johnny Dickshot]

Joe & Sid evidently had George Theodore as a guest this morning -- missed it, and the replay is not up on their website yet.

[Guest Rotblatt]

="Frayed Knot"] ]P.S. Our "embarrassing" lineup is 5th in the league in runs scored. And I'd prefer to leave the decision on whether Beltran goes to the DL to the doctors and staff. You're no fun at all, FK. At any rate, I, at least, remain embarassed when I see our starting lineup and a corner OF or 1B slot has the name Woody, Anderson or Offerman in it. They're fine subs for 2B or SS, but we should really be able to do better than them at 1B or OF. And we HAVE better in the minors, IMO, which is the frustrating part. Anyway, I agree about the doctors deciding if Beltran can play, but I really don't want him playing through anything again. That didn't go so well the first time he did it, and I'd much rather see him get to 100% before coming back. Maybe he's close to 100% now, but I'd be susprised if that's the case after seeing that collision--especially since he can't remember the hit. Nasty stuff.

PatchyFogg Aug 12 2005 03:16 PM

Cameron needs surgery. Beltran has a "slight facial fracture" that doesn't require surgery, but he does have a concussion. http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2132583

SI Metman Aug 12 2005 03:16 PM

The latest on Beltran is slight concussion. Piazza only missed 4 days (and only 1 game because of the ASG) when Clemens plunked him, so I wouldn't be surprised if Carlos is in center wearing an NBA style protective facemask on Tuesday against the Bucs.

soupcan Aug 12 2005 03:29 PM

I heard some of the George Thedore interview. Highlights were basically that he loves his 15 minutes, hopes nobody forgets about him now that Beltran/Cameron has eclipsed Theodre/Hahn I didn't hear him comparing his collision with the one yesterday unfortunately but I caught these tidbits: Best memory of being a major leaguer was playing with Willie Mays. Told an anecdote about how Willie caught a fly ball but didn't have the arm anymore to throw it in so Willie tossed it to an unsuspecting Stork to make the throw in. George, not expecting it, dropped the ball and the runners either advanced or scored. Theodore was given an error on the play. Said George: "I was and am honored to have that error." I thought that was a cool thing to say. On how ihe got the nickname: "A minor league teammate gave it to me." No explanation, no elaboration. Weird. I'll take a wild stab at it George - could it be because you friggin' look like a stork? On the '73 Mets: "We had a lot of injuries that year, that's why our record wasn't better than it was. When healthy we could've played with any team".

Johnny Dickshot Aug 12 2005 03:53 PM

They didn't by chance ask him why he changed his uni number?

PatchyFogg Aug 12 2005 04:14 PM

Does anyone else remember a collision where someone had to hold an unconscious Lee Mazzilli's tongue so that he wouldn't "swallow it." Or, was I just dreaming?

ABG Aug 12 2005 04:17 PM

I hope it happened, cuz that's one helluva weird dream.

soupcan Aug 12 2005 04:35 PM

Johnny Dickshot wrote: They didn't by chance ask him why he changed his uni number? Sorry pal, if they did I didn't hear it.

Frayed Knot Aug 12 2005 04:37 PM

Patchy: see the 'Way-Back' thread for the Mazzilli collision, although I don't know if that's the same one you're thinking of (but how many could Maz have had?). The biggest piece of information from the Stork interview is that Sid Rosenberg is the dumbest creature that still walks upright and has opposable thumbs (but you likely already knew that). "So George, you're from Utah, are you a Mormon?" GT: No "oh, so you like drink and stuff?"

Edgy DC Aug 12 2005 04:39 PM

...dumbest creature that still walks upright and has opposable thumbs (but you likely already knew that). Whoah.

metirish Aug 12 2005 04:40 PM

Sidiot really does boggle the mind, and it gets worse when football season starts, he's a huge Giants fan and resident "expert" on all things Giants for the FAN.

cooby Aug 12 2005 05:09 PM

Anyone else remember the picture of George Theodore in his hospital bed, dressed in a hospital gown, his leg in traction, with a big grin on his face? I think he was doing a crossword puzzle. What a great guy, now he is memorable

PatchyFogg Aug 12 2005 07:47 PM

]"So George, you're from Utah, are you a Mormon?" GT: No "oh, so you like drink and stuff?" Replace "Mormon" with some other religions (and change around Utah, too), and you got fire in a crowded theater stuff. But, once again, Sid skates.

[patchyfogg]

Cameron needs surgery.

Beltran has a "slight facial fracture" that doesn't require surgery, but he does have a concussion.

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2132583

[Guest SI Metman]

The latest on Beltran is slight concussion. Piazza only missed 4 days (and only 1 game because of the ASG) when Clemens plunked him, so I wouldn't be surprised if Carlos is in center wearing an NBA style protective facemask on Tuesday against the Bucs.

[soupcan]

I heard some of the George Thedore interview.

Highlights were basically that he loves his 15 minutes, hopes nobody forgets about him now that Beltran/Cameron has eclipsed Theodre/Hahn

I didn't hear him comparing his collision with the one yesterday unfortunately but I caught these tidbits:

Best memory of being a major leaguer was playing with Willie Mays. Told an anecdote about how Willie caught a fly ball but didn't have the arm anymore to throw it in so Willie tossed it to an unsuspecting Stork to make the throw in. George, not expecting it, dropped the ball and the runners either advanced or scored. Theodore was given an error on the play. Said George: "I was and am honored to have that error." I thought that was a cool thing to say.

On how ihe got the nickname: "A minor league teammate gave it to me." No explanation, no elaboration. Weird. I'll take a wild stab at it George - could it be because you friggin' look like a stork?

On the '73 Mets: "We had a lot of injuries that year, that's why our record wasn't better than it was. When healthy we could've played with any team".

[Guest Johnny Dickshot]

They didn't by chance ask him why he changed his uni number?