All-Purpose Mets-Related Trade Rumors Thread

[Guest SI Metman]

Stoppach who was in the original Olney reported trade was shipped to Colorado as part of the Byrnes deal that turned into a 3 way. Larry Bigbie is coming back to the Sox.

[Guest SI Metman]

Valadius wrote: I am so sick of hearing about Soriano. I don't want him, the Mets would fall apart if we got him. Shea is a goddamn pitcher's park. Therefore, you need guys that can play DEFENSE. Omar should be unloading Ishii and Graves as his first move, to a pitching-starved team like Cincy, Texas, or Baltimore... And then it occurs to me... Brian Roberts. The O's will want a top-flight starter. Give them Zambrano and another guy or two, and cash. That could actually work...

Well I'm sure if you got them to smoke up first, or dug up any incriminating photos of Peter Angelos in a dress...

[MFS62]

I just heard Warner Wolk on ESPN radio this morning. The guy rambles and rambles and he never gave a simple "Mets give up" and "Mets get" list. Its tough to figure out all the names involved and who is going where, but here are the names mentioned so far:

Mets give up:
He never mentioned Cameron, but alluded to him)
Heilmann
Looper

Mets get:
Manny Ramirez
Julio (the Rays shortstop who would play second fro the Mets)
Baez.

No specific mention of other players, and from his responses to callers, probably couldn't name any of the prospects involved without a cue card.

And they have until noon today to get it resolved.

At least getting Julio gives us a better fielder than Soriano.

Later

[Guest Rotblatt]

That's a ridiculously bad deal for Boston. Shoppach should have netted them much more than a bad back-up OF.

Well, at this point, Colorado has two young catchers in Closser and Shoppach. Maybe we can make something happen there between now and next April . . . . Althgough Clossers been pretty bad this year.

[Guest Yancy Street Gang]

I don't mind Manny's money so much as his age. He's already turned 33.

Anyway, it's sounding like the Manny deal is becoming unlikely, as is the Soriano deal.

And yet, I find it hard to believe that Omar will let the deadline pass without making a "big splash."

So will he find a way to revive the Soriano discussion? Or revive the Manny talks? Or will he find some other guy to get?

[smg58]

If the D-Rays get the Mets' two best prospects and two of the Sox' best prospects for Huff and Baez, something is seriously wrong. And if they can't build a contender in five years with the set of prospects they'd have plus Kazmir, something is seriously wrong.

It seemed like the Mets were breaking even (if they took on Manny's full contract), and the Sox were getting stiffed.

Do we have any confirmation on Shoppach going to Colorado? I cannot imagine they couldn't get more than Bigbie for him. The Mets would be obligated to offer the Red Sox more than that, wouldn't they?

Unfortunately, the last two days make the Mets look more like sellers than buyers. Losing twice to the team we most need to beat with pitching matchups heavily in our favor is a bad sign.

[metirish]

Olny was just on ESPN and he only mentioned Shoppach as possibly going to Seattle for Eddie Guardado, nothing about Bigbie to the Sox.MYF's pick up Embry.

[Guest Johnny Dickshot]

The Post described the Sox-Rays-Mets deal as:

Mets get
Manny
Baez
Lugo

Sox get:
Cameron
Huff

Rays get:
Petit
Heilman
2 Red Sox prospects

The inclusion of Lugo and the exclusion of Millege IMO makes this a much better idea than the one first reported. Lugo can hit and play 2nd (and is from Brooklyn) ... of course, what's holding this up, the Post says is the exclusion of Milledge and the haggling over how much to pay Manny.

[metirish]

I'd do that deal Johnny, Buster Olney says it's the exclusion of the Sox top prospect Hanley Ramirez and the money that's holding things up.

[Guest Bret Sabermetric]

When a woman has these really huge bazongas, barely squeezed into a push-up bra, and her skirt is just a little bit wider than your widest belt, and she's got these nosebleed-inducing spike heels on and ruby-red lipstick and a wicked figure, don't you think (even though she's a chaste, intelligent and reasonable woman) she's going to attract every mouth-breathing wife-beater-wearing Neanderthal on the street to suggest unbelievably rude and insulting offers of a sexual nature to her?

Well, that's the position the Mets have put themselves in. By dealing Kazmir so hastily and foolishly last year, the Mets have put the thought in every GM's mind in baseball, "Wow, maybe I can get some from these stupid bimbos--I think they're hot for me." And they may walk up and down the street all day looking to meet a nice, well-mannered guy, but all they'll get is Yahoos yelling from cars and from construction sites, and they're wondering how come they never get to meet more refined men who'll give them what they're really looking for.

[Elster88]

]Mets general manager Omar Minaya is a huge fan of Ramirez, and the Mets nearly acquired the slugger last December.

I don't remember this.

I like the deal that JD posted.

[MFS62]

Bret, you can write analogies for me any time.

Later

[smg58]

How about the Rays keep Lugo, the Sox get Baez, and we get Shoppach?

[Guest Johnny Dickshot]

Maybe it's we get Shoppach, Sox get Heilman.

[nymr83]

]the Mets have put the thought in every GM's mind in baseball, "Wow, maybe I can get some from these stupid bimbos--

I would agree, IF Pjillips were still the GM...I doubt they hold his stupidity against Minaya.

also please keep Lugo off this team and keep Baez where he is unless we aren't giving Looper up.... thats a bad tradeoff imo.

[Guest Rotblatt]

If the DRays can get that much for Huff and Baez, we should absolutely become sellers this year and restock our farm system with top 100 prospects. Looper & Cam should be able to net as much as those two, and that haul is ludicrous.

And check out this line from the Post article:

]However, the Red Sox wanted Milledge, as well, apparently to spin off as part of another trade, perhaps for Cincinnati outfielder Adam Dunn or Texas second baseman Alfonso Soriano.

If Dunn's available and Cincinatti is interested in Milledge, why the fuck wouldn't we do that? Dunn's infinitely cheaper, and is younger, a better defender and baserunner and is less of a head case. He's not as good of a hitter and he strikes out more, but he also hits for power, is a lefty, and has serious potential.

[Guest OlerudOwned]

ESPNews says Jason Stark calling the three-team deal "close to dead".

[nymr83]

if Dunn is available without giving up Wright/Pedro GET HIM!

[Guest Bret Sabermetric]

Nymr83 wrote: I would agree, IF Pjillips were still the GM...I doubt they hold his stupidity against Minaya..

Well, the stupid part is in the analogy--I'm not saying that Omar has the identical IQ to Pjilips, I'm saying that the Mets have advertised their team policy--"If we're playing anywhere close to .500 on July 30th, if we're still in mathematical contention, if we're expecting any conceivable improvement (on the order of the return of Steve Trachsel or Steve Bieser), then we will consider ourselves buyers, and fairly desperate buyers at that. Do with us what you will but, please, be kind."

[MFS62]

Arould 1PM tioday, whoever was on ESPN radio dropped this tidbit:
"And the the Rays would turn Millegde around to Cincy for Adam Dunn."

And then he went to another caller/ topic/ station break/ whatever.

Does he know Dunn is available after all this weeks' smokescreens from Reds' management?
Is that all it would take?

If we're going to give up our best position prospect, why not fill the team's worst need - lefty power, and someone who could play frist base?

Or is that too logical?
I'd do that trade in a heartbeat.

Later

[Guest Iubitul]

I wouldn't.

If we're not selling, I want to stand pat. This team should not worry about contending this year to the detriment of the future.

So, I say no to Manny, and no to Soriano - let some kids come up through the system and build from within. They should have learned from the Kazmir debacle from last year.

[Valadius]

Eric Byrnes just went to Baltimore for Larry Bigbie.

[Frayed Knot]

]Does he know Dunn is available after all this weeks' smokescreens from Reds' management?

I suspect statements like that fall under the category of: 'rumor/speculation reported as fact'.
Why, for instance, would the D-Rays, who jettison every player making over $6.82/hour, even consider trading an up-and-coming min wage guy for Adam Dunn who's about to go to arb next year for mega-millions?

I find it always helps if you keep the concepts of 'ESPN' and 'Journalism' is seperate parts of the brain. Unless it's coming from one of their baseball specific writers (Gammons, Olney, Stark) those topics rarely come within close proximity of each other.

[Guest Johnny Dickshot]

Perhaps we can thank LaMar for his interference. Milledge, Cameron and Heilman, all of Manny's $$? Ugh.

Manny deal hits another snag
Sox balk when Rays ask for Hanley Ramirez

By Gordon Edes, Globe Staff | July 30, 2005

The proposed three-way deal that would have sent Manny Ramirez to the New York Mets before tomorrow�s 4 p.m. trading deadline may have hit an insurmountable snag today when the Tampa Bay Devil Rays, the third team in the deal, demanded that top Red Sox prospect Hanley Ramirez be included in the trade, according to major league sources.

For the Red Sox, that was a deal breaker, and unless the Devil Rays have a change of heart, it would appear that the deal is dead.

There is always the possibility the Mets could take another run at Ramirez during the August waiver period, or after the season.

Under the terms of the proposed deal, the Red Sox would have received outfielder Mike Cameron, pitcher Aaron Heilman, and outfield prospect Lastings Milledge from the Mets, and infielder/outfielder Aubrey Huff from the Devil Rays. But according to major league sources, the Devil Rays, who on Friday were prepared to accept a package of prospects that included Double-A pitcher Anibal Sanchez from the Red Sox, today insisted on Hanley Ramirez, and the Red Sox turned it down. Manny Ramirez and Devil Rays closer Danys Baez would have gone to the Mets in the deal.

It�s possible that the Red Sox and Devil Rays could resume talks about a straight two-way deal for Huff, who would give the Red Sox a lefthanded bat to replace the injured Trot Nixon. But Huff is due in excess of $6.75 million next season, which could make him too expensive for Boston�s taste at this time.

[Valadius]

On the subject of Hanley Ramirez, I've seen him play. I went to a Norwich Navigators-Portland Sea Dogs game in June, and he is an outstanding prospect. He's fast as hell, and he hit a home run that day, so he's got some power. He also has a cannon for an arm. The only problem I saw with him was that he was a bit shaky defensively at shortstop. His glovework wasn't that great, and he needs to locate his throws a little better. But he's a good player.

[metirish]

It might not mean anything but Manny is not in the Sox lineup tonight.

[Guest mt8thsw9th]

For what it's worth, Manny Ramirez was in the Red Sox lineup 20 minutes before gametime, and was pulled shortly before the game started.

[metirish]

snap...thanks for the info and welcome.

[seawolf17]

Welcome indeed, mt8.

DO IT, Omar.

[metirish]

It's hard to keep score but the latest on ESPN has the deal "close to dead." The SportingNews reports that the Sox are talking to the Marlins, Blue Jays and Rangers about Manny.