Post-Trade-Deadline Grumbling (Split from Aug 4 IGT)

[Gwreck]

It's not exactly a compelling argument to say the Mets “fumbled” the off-season but only have as follow-up “I don't feel like rehashing it.”



For the record, I agree the Mets could have done more at the deadline. But the off-season moves? The results are pretty compelling, eg. the five key additions cited above.

[Edgy MD]

=metsmarathon post_id=102426 time=1659710761 user_id=83]
my god, we went from second-likeliest team to win the world series all the way down to.... second most likely team to win the world series. holy fuck, what a disaster.



the astros added a 1b/of/dh, a catcher, and a reliever, - two of those players were ones the mets were thought to be in the running for - and their chances of winning the world series dropped nearly as much as ours!



The dodgers chances of winning it all dropped a full 3.1%! what utter shit management they have, amirite? do they even know what they're doing in LA?

[batmagadanleadoff]

Edgy MD wrote: =metsmarathon post_id=102426 time=1659710761 user_id=83] my god, we went from second-likeliest team to win the world series all the way down to.... second most likely team to win the world series. holy fuck, what a disaster. the astros added a 1b/of/dh, a catcher, and a reliever, - two of those players were ones the mets were thought to be in the running for - and their chances of winning the world series dropped nearly as much as ours! The dodgers chances of winning it all dropped a full 3.1%! what utter shit management they have, amirite? do they even know what they're doing in LA?

Here's marathon backing up a position with data and facts. It's not that much to ask.

[batmagadanleadoff]

=Ceetar post_id=102283 time=1659642082 user_id=102]
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=Ceetar post_id=102273 time=1659640077 user_id=102]


why are you confident?

[Edgy MD]

=batmagadanleadoff post_id=102445 time=1659718324 user_id=68]If you're addressing me, ...

[Ceetar]

Because he's the wealthiest owner in baseball, for starters. Because this is just Cohen's second full season and you can't build Rome in a day. All I can reasonably hope for is that there's a contending team on the field. Post-season is mostly luck. And this year, we have more than a contending team. But much of the staff is the same. It's still Sandy making the same Sandy comments and moves. There may be overlap but I doubt that working under Cohen is anything like working under the Wilpons. Those fucking scumbags with their Walmart-like budget for the Rick Porcellos because why re-sign the way better Zack Wheeler? The Wilpons? Who, right after the last free agent was signed, would come out and claim that the budget was unlimited and that Alderson could've signed anybody he wanted to to as much money as he wanted to and all he had to do was ask? Jeff? Who probably micro-managed the number of cheeseburgers Sandy ate from the Citi Field Shake Shack? Apples and Oranges.

Sure. But i'm not convinced by anything I've seen that Cohen isn't just as big a scumbag. The money is important, and so far he's done some moves the Wilpons probably wouldn't, especially coming off 2020/Covid. He had the benefit of not personally taking that "hit" because he didn't buy until after. But the actual nuts and bolts running of the team, particularly long-term and developmentally? I still have questions. Never mind the hiring scumbags, then hiring scumbags to see if you should fire the first scumbag, and then taking a year to quietly fire said scumbag.. And that's aside from the revolving door of GMs. We went real fast from "no one wants to work for the Mets" to them hiring Eppler and then no one seemingly questioning if those two things are related, Eppler's history, or if he even has autonomy. Eppler citing last year's thinking when he wasn't here as part of the decision making process this year kinda suggests he's at least heavily listening to someone else when making these calls.

[batmagadanleadoff]

Edgy MD wrote: =batmagadanleadoff post_id=102445 time=1659718324 user_id=68]You're against trades. ... .

I can represent my positions perfectly fine.

[Edgy MD]

I'm not on the stand here. If you'd like an answer, please ask me nicely.



Or, better yet, you know, answer one yourself.



Nothing has been obfuscated. I asked you to back up a statement, and you didn't want to. That's fine.



Playing the victim is just old.