Somebody Noticed Jeff McNeil

[G-Fafif]

Jeff McNeil finishes tied for sixth in NL Rookie of the Year voting, garnering a single third-place vote and finishing with one point. Hats off to Jack McCaffery of the Delaware County Daily Times, who was clearly paying attention as J-Mac tore apart Phillies pitching in August and September.

Oh, and some Brave won the award.

[G-Fafif]

Also excellent: Ohtani won in the AL, meaning some MFY didn't.

[smg58]

McNeil is still sneaking up on people. Good.

[Edgy MD]

He seemed to be pretty slump-proof.

[ashie62]

G-Fafif wrote: Jeff McNeil finishes tied for sixth in NL Rookie of the Year voting, garnering a single third-place vote and finishing with one point. Hats off to Jack McCaffery of the Delaware County Daily Times, who was clearly paying attention as J-Mac tore apart Phillies pitching in August and September. Oh, and some Brave won the award.

McNeil come in 6th or 8th??

[Guest LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr]

Not saying/just saying: WAR-wise (f- and b-type), he was better than both the MFY candidates.

Any bonus points for using an Ed Delahanty-model bat?

[MFS62]

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr wrote: Not saying/just saying: WAR-wise (f- and b-type), he was better than both the MFY candidates.

Just comparing against the NL candidates:
NL rookie position players, by fWAR/600 PA, min 150 PA:

fWAR/600 PLAYER (RoY position player rank)
6.5 Jeff McNeil (#5)
4.9 Harrison Bader (#4)
4.6 Ronald Acuna (#1)
4.5 Juan Soto (#2)
3.3 Jorge Alfaro
3.0 Brian Anderson (#3)

I certainly understand not voting for a player on the assumption of what they might have done in games they didn't play, but also rarely up to the player to make that call. McNeil was destroying AA/AAA for almost 400 PA before getting called up and the team was in free fall for most of that (for about the last 85% of the season up to the point McNeil was called up, the Mets were 28-55)

When he wins the MVP next year, we're all gonna' laugh.

Later

[Centerfield]

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr wrote: Not saying/just saying: WAR-wise (f- and b-type), he was better than both the MFY candidates. Any bonus points for using an Ed Delahanty-model bat?

I don't get the f and b type. Still getting to know these advanced stats.

From what I can tell on BB Reference, McNeil had a WAR of 2.4. Andujar was 2.2, but Gleybar Torres was 2.9.

And looking at the WAR numbers, I don't see how anyone can reasonably argue anyone over Ohtani. Shohei had a WAR of 2.7 as a hitter, and 1.2 as a pitcher.

[Edgy MD]

WAR is the name of two different stats that profess to measure the same thing. They come from two different sources — Fangraphs and Baseball-reference — so they are distinguished colloquially as fWAR and bWAR.

As both are proprietary, it's not altogether clear what differences they bring, but most (not all) prefer fWAR. They seem to have more sophisticated defensive measurements, though that doesn't necessarily mean more accurate.

[Ceetar]

Edgy MD wrote: WAR is the name of two different stats that profess to measure the same thing. They come from two different sources — Fangraphs and Baseball-reference — so they are distinguished colloquially as fWAR and bWAR. As both are proprietary, it's not altogether clear what differences they bring, but most (not all) prefer fWAR. They seem to have more sophisticated defensive measurements, though that doesn't necessarily mean more accurate.

defense seems to be the big one. I believe Fangraphs uses FIP and BR uses RA/9 to calculate defensive value. There are other things, like positional weights and the like. I've heard, but haven't confirmed, that B-R weights what actually happened a little more, but that might just be a reflection on using runs allowed over FIP.

The important thing to note is that they're counting estimates. They count up everything a player does on the field that contributes positively towards creating runs, subtract those things that contribute towards not scoring runs.

You don't really need to over think it. There's definitely some work to be done, particularly on the positional adjustment side (an identical batting line for a SS And a RF will have very different WAR) but the concept is really just that. if you do things that typically contribute to run scoring, or run prevention, your WAR ticks up.

so WAR/600PA is just projections. Like saying a guy at the ASB will hit 40 HR if he has 20.