Elster88

cleonjones11 wrote: Any reason Beltran didnt run out that DP ball? I think he would have been safe.. He did run. Not a chance he could've been safe.

iramets wrote: And if Beltran had continued playing on the level that he did in 2005, would you be blaming Pedro? The point is that players do what they do. You can't subscribe to the truism that "It's all about the money" (that is pretty universal) and also claim that players sign for less money (or equal money) with some teams because of who their teammates are. If Pedro is so attractive a teammate, or a token of Omar's seriousness on building a team, or whatever the hell you're claiming, then it's a slamdunk. The Mets have won the next 12 World Series in advance already, because Omar can now sign up all the players he wants to, at rock-bottom rates, and keep these excellent players from signing up with other teams. Oh, it doesn't work like that? And it doesn't work that you can blame the suckitude of players signed as FAs on the players already on the team? (Who's responsible for telling Schoenweis the Mets would be a good team to sign with? Off with his head!!) What, it only works to credit GMs with creating favorable psychological conditions in cases where the later FA signings have worked out? I see. You talk as if no FA have ever signed with bad teams for a shitload of money, or as if this is not actually common. If it's all about the money, and we usually argue that is, you can't be making exceptions to your own rule when you want to, and have me buy it as anything other than your bias. This is giving me a headache. My two main points were 1) You can't dismiss out of hand the idea that the Pedro signing could have influenced Beltran. You'll also note (well you would have if you were paying attention) that I did dismiss it because I don't remember Beltran saying it happened. 2) Comparing the idea (that the Pedro signing could have influenced Beltran) to the dogma of Derek Jeter is a poor analogy at best and stupid at worst. Do you disagree with either of those two points? iramets wrote: And if Beltran had continued playing on the level that he did in 2005, would you be blaming Pedro? THIS is interesting. But again, if you follow what I was saying, then I would blame Omar while grading the Pedro signing. I wouldn't blame Pedro.

iramets wrote: If it's all about the money, and we usually argue that is, you can't be making exceptions to your own rule when you want to, and have me buy it as anything other than your bias. Where in my post did it say there's an exception to the "Follow the Money" rule? iramets wrote: You talk as if no FA have ever signed with bad teams for a shitload of money, or as if this is not actually common. Where the hell did I EVER say that? Are you off your meds?

iramets wrote: ="Elster88"] But I'm equally sure that if another team had offered more money Beltran would not have signed here. The Yankees supposedly offered Beltran more money. I'm fairly sure they did not. I was 100% sure until you posted otherwise.

Sorry. Excel user error. Fixed.

Mets Phillies AVGHRRBIAVGHRRBIJose Reyes SS.317434Jimmy RollinsSS.2831347Paul Lo DucaC.284523Shane VictorinoRF.265833Carlos BeltranCF.2771449Chase Utley2B.3271566David Wright3B.2881444Ryan Howard1B.2501937Carlos Delgado1B.2271244Aaron RowandCF.3131141Jose Valentin2B.276317Pat the BatLF.203832Shawn GreenRF.277727Greg Dobbs3B.286733Carlos GomezLF.260211Carlos RuizC.281327Mike PelfreyP.00000Kyle KendrickP.20000(0 - 5)6.53(2 - 0)5.08

Edgy DC wrote: Our Yankees/Braves fan is right on all five counts. Seven more. He missed Smoltz. Not that I agree he is either a Yankee or a Brave fan

attgig wrote: Like gomez trying to steal third yesterday in the 8th inning, and getting thrown out to end the inning? is that what the team needs? It seems to be a disease these days. Yesterday a player for LA did the same thing. Julio Lugo for Boston too.

Willets Point wrote: ="soupcan"]="MFS62"]Y'know? That's some of the kind of spirit the team seems to have been missing recently. ="MFS62"]And I believe an injection of enthusiasm is what the club needed during its recent doldrums Um, they are 8-1 in their last 9 games. Slump's been over for a little while now. When the length of the hot streak exceeds the length of the slump (and the lineup shows some hitting consistency), only then may I feel that this team is going somewhere. Until then the 2007 Mets are shrouded in doubt. Does the 4-game first-place lead and 46-33 record make you think the team is going anywhere? JW.

iramets wrote: ="metsguyinmichigan"] I disagree with the placement of the Pedro signing, simply because it set the stage for several of the other signings that came later. For example, I don't think you have Beltran without Pedro there. This is perilously close to the logic that Jeter is not only a great player because of what he does, but because of what he makes the players around him do. I don't buy any of that, not for a millivanillisecond. It's just an excuse to spout whatever biases you hold and not be accountable for them. There's a huge difference between motivating a player to sign and helping a player to perform better. I assume the latter is what you mean by the reference to Jeter. The former is extremely possible. For you not to recognize the possbility that Pedro's signing influenced Beltran is just willful ignorance in the pursuit of furthering your own argument. OTOH, AFAIK Beltran has never actually said that Pedro's signing helped convince him to come here. I wouldn't use Beltran as a criterion to grade the Pedro signing until I do see such a quote. On the third hand, appearance and feelings do mean something to players when they sign. I'm sure seeing that Pedro was signed made Beltran think the Mets were going to build a team. But I'm equally sure that if another team had offered more money Beltran would not have signed here.

When did Perez get hurt? What's the news?

metirish wrote: Maine on why he ran on the wild pitch. ] "I wasn't just going to stand there," Maine said. "They can get some guy of the street to just stand there. But they can't pull a guy off the street to pitch." Does that make sense to anyone? I'm confused.

Centerfield wrote: �So, right now, I�m a gambler, I�m a racist and I like 18�year-old girls, that�s the perception of me in New York right now about me." Paul LoDuca - 6/29/07 I like 18-year-old girls too.

I think this current winning in Philly is a good thing. Not terrible.

And the sac fly drives him in. Reyes really should've knocked that ball down.

Terrible job on the steal there by Bourne, on both ends. Lo Duca one hopped the ball, and instead of just jumping on it Reyes tries to stab at it while falling backwards. Into center it goes.

Johnny Dickshot wrote: Elster's HO is the argument against Biggio. Haven't you kept up? Yes to both guys. Is there a particular reason you're being a dickhead? Anyway...with the numbers in my face I obviously was wrong. It's amazing what a guy can compile when he stays healthy and plays for 20 years. I didn't realize he was sixth in doubles. I guess hitting at .282 and OBP of .365 for 20 years or whatever is impressive. When I think of HoF'ers, I just don't think of Biggio, which is where my silliness came from.

Thanks for pointing out the obvious. He still doesn't belong IMHO.

Does he belong in the HoF? I say no.

Like I already said, I have no desire to engage in a WFAN-style WATP debate.

Johnny Dickshot wrote: Posada wings the ball into left field and he scores. LOL. Great description, I can see it in my mind's eye. I've been making some good money betting against the Yankees lately, teams have been running on Posada a lot more than they ever ran on Piazza.

seawolf17 wrote: I look forward to cheering Griffey's 600th home run wearing my white "GRIFFEY 3" Mets t-shirt. Frank Thomas is a Hall of Famer, methinks. I'm just being silly and superstitious of course, but the way things are going if Griffey joins the Mets I see him getting in a car accident on the way from LaGuardia to Flushing. He won't be injured, but he'll tear a hamstring jogging the last quarter-mile to Shea.

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My contention was never that it was likely Oswalt would come here, nor do I want to start talking about WATPs like a WFAN caller that learned how to write. All I was pointing out by responding to your statement was that it's possible, that the chances are greater than "less than zero".

Edgy DC wrote: I think voting based on numbers should also consider the second half of last year. Disagree Would I be wrong to infer that you mean to say that voting that is not based on numbers should not consider the second half of last year?