iramets wrote: ="Elster88"]This is giving me a headache. My two main points were 1) You can't dismiss out of hand the idea that the Pedro signing could have influenced Beltran. You'll also note (well you would have if you were paying attention) that I did dismiss it because I don't remember Beltran saying it happened. 2) Comparing the idea (that the Pedro signing could have influenced Beltran) to the dogma of Derek Jeter is a poor analogy at best and stupid at worst. Do you disagree with either of those two points? I don't know that I need to, since you apparently disagree with yourself on point #1. You say that I can't dismiss out of hand a concept that it's apparantly ok for you to dismiss out of hand. WTF is that? LMK how your debate turns out, and I'll take on the winner, okay? You dismissed it because you didn't like the way it sounded. I dismissed it because no one can show evidence that it happened. Do you see the difference?