The Big O

Aw, crap. Knots ahoy courtesy of Eric Byrnes.

I just noticed some links like http://www.kcmets.com/CPFRankingProj/1963.html in the yearly ranking threads. They appear to be archived posts. (They stop after 2001, though.)

Team totals StatCurrent (49 gms)Projected rateRecordYearChange over last 12 gamesAB17315722.89856181996+193.006Runs 183813.3068631999+12.063Hits4501487.75515531999+7.8632B93307.4692971999+5.3613B929.755471996, 1978-0.894HR67221.5101982000+6.969TB7622519.26524301987+32.346RBI236780.2458141999+9.650BB171565.3477171999+35.563SO3271081.10212031968+91.588SB48158.6941591987+5.451CS826.449991980+4.557GIDP2995.8781491999-9.203XBH169558.7355131987+11.438HBP2479.347652001+4.915SF1549.592591997-7.327SH2892.5711081973+9.382 Projected broken records in bold type (through 49 games)

I found myself wondering how the CPF collectively ranked Richard Hidalgo's remarkably productive (for hitting .228 anyway) season in ' 04. Problem is, I couldn't find the thread. (And there's not a http://www.kcmets.com/CPFRankingProj/year.html page either.) Also ... is there a place where we have the corresponding point totals to go with the rankings? Broken down by year would be even sweeter. (Part of me NEEDS TO KNOW how many points Duke Snider has over Vance Wilson, y'know?)

Guess this is as good a "general pitching rotation" thread to bump as any. This is all info I hadn't previously seen posted here. With the obligatory "it's Heyman" disclaimer of reality: ="Jon Heyman"]... Omar Minaya, who has a naturally itchy trigger finger, must somehow coax a trade. Minaya was in such a jovial mood yesterday, leading me to believe he was thinking about something other than the jive other general managers are handing him. So far his trading partners are suggesting either "bad stats" (Omar's words) or bad deals (mine). Being a naturally kind man, Minaya didn't mention which pitchers were the owners of the "bad stats." But two of the trade rejects are believed to be Bruce Chen, who is 0-5 with an 8.08 ERA, and Jeremy Affeldt, who's a tiny bit better at 2-4 and 6.51. It's not that the Mets are so proud. Apparently, they were considering Affeldt until his latest abomination, an 8-0 defeat Monday night. ... The Nats transformed into the Gnats when they suggested the Mets surrender the talented Lastings Milledge for Livan Hernandez, who has a 5.51 ERA and $13 million remaining on his contract through next year. This may be irrelevant information now that we've picked up 2 starters. Incidentally, Buster Olney was advocating for Dave Williams behind the Insider wall earlier this week. (I do not have Insider access, unfortunately.)

Elster88 wrote: Just busting balls....but seriously, until his batting average reaches those numbers, what is the point of estimating the associated OBP? I don't understand this statement at all. But it seems like you were complaining about Jose's OB-ness, when it's his BA-ness that's not quite up to snuff. He's OB-ing better than he ever has in the majors.

Elster88 wrote: .311 OBP coming into today will go up with the 3-5 performance. Still not good. That's a .311 OBP on top of a .245 batting average, for an ISOobp of .066. Previous Jose Reyes ISOobp numbers: 2003 .027 2004 .016 2005 .027 Or, to put it another way, Jose has more walks (19) in 205 ABs this year than his first ~500 MLB ABs combined (18). If he were hitting .277 (career avg.), his OBP would be around .340. If he were hitting .300, his OBP would be about .360. If .333, it would be around .390. He's tied for 67th in MLB for walks right now. Top 10 among leadoff men and shortstops. He walked 12 times last month, but only 7 this month so far. 12 + (5 * 7) would give him 47 walks on the year, which would eclipse his 2005 total by 20 walks. FWIW, Mookie Wilson hovered around a 0.50-.060 isolated on-base in the late 80s: 1982 .035 1983 .024 1984 .032 1985 .055 1986 .051 1987 .060 1988 .049 Mook's career high in walks was 35. His career line was .274/.314./.349 and .276/.318/.394 with the Mets.

MFS62 wrote: He looks like he knows how to pitch and doesn't get rattled. I liked what the radio guys seemed to be blathering about him. They commented that he didn't smile much, even after pitching his effective innings. Don't know if that's part of his general demeanor or if he was just upset about the top of the 1st. I think they said he was fist-pumping a lot. They (baselessly?) speculated that it seemed he was going to be driven to become a better pitcher, even if he has some moderate success. Ya like to see a guy who won't rest on his laurels.

Keep that rally song in your hip pocket for the postseason, Edgy. The Nye Mets -- my favorite squadron. Nice one, all. LGM.

Kaz. Kaz. Kaz. Kaz. Kaz.

SteveJRogers wrote: Man, and that includes the infamous 1987 filled with injuries, drug rehabilitation and starters just going in and out like crazy I'd have to double check, but I'm sure the 12 in 87 is either the most (if not probably the early 60's), or very darn close to: Darling 32, Gooden 25, Fernandez 27, Leach 12, Aguilera 17, Mitchell 19, Cone 13, Ojeda 7, Innis 1, Schulze 4, Candeleria 3, Edens 2 Compare that with a year later and what might still be the least amount of Metly starting hurlers Gooden 34, Darling 34, Cone 28, Ojeda 29, Fernandez 31, Aguilera 3, West 1 (Blast from the past with David West, the GenK, and Kazmir of his day, funny how throw in Aguilera became THE guy we traded for Frank Viola) Funny, I researched this yesterday after being inspired by someone's post that listed our theoretical 13-deep starting staff. 12 in '87 is a high number (though we did also use 12 in '04 -- Dan Wheeler, James Baldwin, Scott Erickson, Tyler Yates and Matt Ginter as well as the usual suspects); other 12s are 1992 and 1974. Bigger totals are 14 in 1982 and '62, 15 in 1979 and 16 apiece from 1964-1966. The most starters ever is 20 (!) in 1967: 1 -- Bill Connors, Billy Wynne, Nick Willhite, Jack Hamilton 2 -- Jack Lamabe, Chuck Estrada 3 -- Bill Graham, Kooz, Rohr 4 -- Tug, Dick Selma 6 -- Cal, Dennis Bennett 8 -- Bill Denehy 11 -- Frisella 13 -- Shaw, Hendley 16 -- Cardwell 30 -- Fisher 34 -- Seaver 7 is the fewest ever -- 1988 (Ron, Doc, Sid, Bobby, David + Rick and David West), 1990 (Viola, Doc, David, Sid, Ron, Bobby + Julio Valera) and 1996 (Harnisch, Mark Clark, Bobby Jones (I), Izzy, Wilson + Person, Mlicki).

NL East Head-to-headSquadronNY PHIWASFLAATLTotMets3-36-24-15-418-10 Phils3-31-23-14-111-7Nats2-62-12-32-38-13Fish1-41-33-21-66-15Braves4-51-43-26-114-12 National League EastSquadronWL%GBhomeroadRSRAstreakL10New York 3019.612--16-814-11246211W26-4Atlanta2723.5403.512-615-17267243W47-3Philadelphia2524.510514-1511-9242247W13-7D.C.2130.4121010-1311-17228242W17-3Florida 1533.31314.57-168-17223260L24-6 4 of their last 4 6 of their last 7 10 of their last 13 13 of their last 17 15 of their last 20 I hate the Braves. * NYM Pythagorean record: 28-21. * Philly is phreefalling -- 2-4 last week after 1-6 the previous. * If you needed any additional proof that the Cubs are just terrible, they were swept by the Marlins, who were swept by the D-Rays the week before. * We have the same RA number as the Snakes (tied for 2nd in the NL [3rd in MLB] behind StL [Detroit]). Lez fix that. Monday's game Houston 10, Washington 3 Florida 9, Cubs 1 Atlanta 3, San Diego 1 Tuesday's games Washington 4, Houston 1 Florida 5, Cubs 4 Mets 9, Philadelphia 8 (16 innings) San Diego 2, Atlanta 1 Wednesday's games Florida 9, Cubs 3 Washington 5, Houston 1 Mets 5, Philadelphia 4 Atlanta 10, San Diego 6 Thursday's games Washington 8, Houston 5 Philadelphia 5, Mets 3 Friday's games Atlanta 6, Cubs 5 Washington 10, Dodgers 4 Milwaukee 6, Philly 5 Florida 5, Mets 1 Saturday's games Atlanta 2, Cubs 1 Dodgers 3, Washington 1 Mets 7, Florida 4 Milwaukee 9, Philadelphia 6 Sunday's games Washington 10, Dodgers 4 Mets 7, Florida 3 Philadelphia 6, Milwaukee 2 Atlanta 13, Cubs 12 Next series Arizona 29-20 [Vargas (5-2, 4.93), Batista (4-2, 4.60), Webb (8-0, 2.18)] at N.Y. Mets 30-19 [Trachsel (2-4, 4.99), Soler (0-0, 3.00), Martinez (5-1, 2.79)] Washington 21-30 (O'Connor, Armas, Hernandez) at Philadelphia 25-24 (Lieber, Myers, Lidle) L.A. Dodgers 28-22 (Penny, Sele, Tomko) at Atlanta 27-23 (Thomson, Sosa, Hudson) San Francisco 26-24 (Morris, Lowry, Schmidt) at Florida 15-33 (Olsen, Moehler, Johnson) Weekend series San Francisco 26-24 [Cain (3-5, 5.07), Morris (3-5, 5.49), Lowry (1-2, 3.62)] at N.Y. Mets 30-19 [Glavine (8-2, 2.59), Hernandez (3-4, 6.04), Trachsel (2-4, 4.99)] Arizona 29-20 (Cruz, Gonzalez, Vargas, Batista) at Atlanta 27-23 (Ramirez, Smoltz, Thomson, Sosa) Philadelphia 25-24 (Floyd, Madson, Lieber, Myers) at L.A. Dodgers 28-22 (Lowe, Seo, Penny, Sele) Washington 21-30 (Hill, Ortiz, O'Connor) at Milwaukee 26-24 (Eveland, Davis, de la Rosa) Florida 15-33 (Willis, Nolasco, Olsen) at Colorado 26-24 (Fogg, Kim, Jennings) Yancy would say ... the magic number is 110. Edit: Hey, edit isn't the same as post reply. Oh well. Lost the week of May 15 to cyberhistory.

I was privately snickering at Joe's use of the term "RBI man" ... thanks for shutting me up, Carlos. And David!

="Nymr83"]lets calm down, i know you all hate the yankees (i do too) but if this game had been against the Pirates you'd be over it the next time we won 3 in a row. And in the grand scheme of things the yankee series is one of the LEAST important of the year because our opponent is neither a division rival nor a potential wildcard rival. I appreciate the sentiment, but the last time we won 3 in a row is when we won 4 in a row (2 vs. Pittsburgh, first 2 over Atlanta). Those games over the Braves were our last consecutive wins, too. Since then, we're 4-8. Let's make it 5-8 tonight.

Anyone else think it seemed like a slow turn / slight double-clutch from Kaz?

"I-B-B! I-B-B!"

Rotblatt wrote: ="The Big O"]Would there have been any point in squeezing with Wright? Would that have made any sense there? Probably not, but it's a thought I had. I thought that too. Dangerous--not Willie's style at all. With the fastest player in beisbol on 3rd and a shut-em-down bullpen ... Maybe David isn't a good bunter. I dunno. I guess they were hoping for, "at worst", the sac fly. I wanted 2 of 3 before Jose Lima's start.

Would there have been any point in squeezing with Wright? Would that have made any sense there? Probably not, but it's a thought I had.

NL East Head-to-headSquadronNY PHIWASFLAATLTotMets1-26-22-05-414-8 Phils2-11-23-14-110-5Nats2-62-12-32-38-13Fish0-21-33-21-25-9Braves4-51-43-22-110-12 National League EastSquadronWL%GBhomeroadRSRAstreakL10New York 2314.622--12-611-8188158L15-5Philadelphia2215.595112-1110-4178179W49-1Atlanta1720.45968-69-14191176L14-6D.C.1325.34210.53-1010-15170193W14-6Florida 1124.314113-148-10165195W24-6 * In the vein of Willets' previous comment, the Mets are playing .500 ball since the hot start. After going 10-2 out of the blocks, we're 13-12. (Of course, you won't hear me complaining if we come out of this next week at 4-3 or even 3-4). * The Mets are in the top tier of MLB in RS-RA differential, 6th behind St. Lou, MFY, Inter Toronto, Chisox and Detroit. The negative award goes to the Cubbies, Bucs, D-Dogs, Royales and Gothams. * The Braves quietly had a substantive uptick this week, feasting on the Nats and Fish to the tune of a 4-2 mark. * Somebody's still due for a statistical correction. Without the Mets, those guys would be on a 14-game winning streak. Yikes. (Other team to win 9 of their last 10: The Padres.) * Wash. & Fla. have only 3 home wins apiece -- next fewest is 7. * Fish finally got over that elusive 10-win hurdle. Monday's games Siesta Tuesday's games Philadelphia 5, Mets 4 Atlanta 10, Florida 2 Washington 7, Cincinnati 1 Wednesday's games Mets 13, Philadelphia 4 Florida 11, Atlanta 3 Cincinnati 9, Washington 6 Thursday's games Philadelphia 2, Mets 0 Atlanta 9, Florida 1 Cincinnati 5, Washington 4 Friday's games Pittsburgh 12, Florida 1 Philadelphia 8, Cincinnati 4 Atlanta 6, Washington 2 Milwaukee 9, Mets 6 Saturday's games Philadelphia 2, Cincinnati 0 Mets 9, Milwaukee 8 Atlanta 8, Washington 5 Florida 4, Pittsburgh 3 Sunday's games Washington 8, Atlanta 1 Philadelphia 2, Cincinnati 1 Florida 8, Pittsburgh 2 Milwaukee 6, Mets 5 Next series Mets (23-14) [Glavine (5-2, 2.19), Glavine (4-2, 1.94), Trachsel (2-3, 4.91), Bannister (2-0, 2.89) / Lima (0-2, 9.31)] at St. Louis (24-14) [suppan (4-2, 4.58), Mulder (4-1, 4.27), Marquis (4-4, 5.33)] Philadelphia (22-15) (Lidle, Floyd, Hamels) at Milwaukee (19-19) (Capuano, Bush, Eveland) Florida (11-24) (Johnson, Willis, Nolasco, Olsen) at Atlanta (17-20) (Davies, Hudson, Smoltz, Sosa) Washington (13-25) (Hernandez, Day, Ortiz) at Chicago (15-22) (Zambrano, Marshall, Wood) Weekend series -- (mostly) interleague! MFY (21-14) (Johnson, Mussina, Chacon) at Mets (23-14) (Gonzalez?, Martinez, Glavine) Boston (21-14) (Clement, Beckett, Schilling) at Philadelphia (22-15) (Lieber, Myers, Lidle) Atlanta (17-20) (Thomson, Davies, Hudson) at Arizona (20-17) (Vargas, Batista, Webb) Florida (11-24) (Moehler, Johnson, Willis) at Tampa Bay (15-23) (Fossum, Waechter, Kazmir) Baltimore (18-20) (Benson, Cabrera, Lopez) at Washington (13-25) (O'Connor, Armas Jr., Hernandez) Oh yeah, in honor of Yancy ... the magic number is 125.

Team totals Nearly at the quarterpost... StatCurrent (37 gms)Projected rateRecordYearChange over last 16 gamesAB12635529.89256181996-124.679Runs 183801.2438631999-39.614Hits3381479.89215531999-47.5372B69302.1082971999+1.2513B730.649471996, 1978-0.208HR49214.5411982000-1.459TB5682486.91924301987-51.081RBI176770.5958141999-54.834BB121529.7847171999+97.784SO226989.51412031968+32.943SB35153.2431591987-39.614CS521.892991980+6.463GIDP24105.0811491999-26.062XBH125547.2975131987-0.417HBP1774.432652001+5.003SF1356.919591997-12.510SH1983.1891081973-1.668 Projected broken records in bold type (through 37 games)

Oh ... yarrrrh

Nady got removed in the double-switch, Floyd batting 9th, Valentin shifts to right. And now he's 4-for-5 on the day.

="Elster88"]We need more variety in Kaboom images.