Bobby V wasnt the best manager when it came to using pitchers himself. How soon we forget. Nah, like Elster said, this team was far from a shoe in for a playoff spot, and ya have to give Willie afew years to see what he's all about. Just like when i heard Omar was takin the helm as GM. My 1st thought was we will be in the World Series again, for sure, within the next 3/4 years. After getting Martinez, I figure 3 for sure, cuz you cant expect him to be as effective as he can be after 3 more years. Some may look at this Mets season and scream TEASE! I look at it and say this is the beginning of something good.