cutting this out of the oots weekend thread to continue: Zvon wrote: Ceetar wrote: I disagree. The Phillies haven't really been under performing much. They've actually over-performed in recent years, with lots of players and pitchers (particularly in the bullpen) having career years. Polanco really isn't that much of an upgrade over what Feliz brough, Halladay is awesome, yes, and replaces the half season or so of Lee, but he's getting up there in age and if 2008 taught us anything it's that one Ace acquisition doesn't make that much of a difference, especially when the rest of the rotation is mediocre at best. You can disagree. Over-performed? If they only made the post season once in the last three years I'd agree. Polanco....only batting .319. Halladay,....your right about the rest of their rotation and I do think that's forcing their offense to press it. But Halladay? With his mechanics he's got plenty left in the tank. They have had bullpenners step up, yes. Even when the ones they were banking on couldn't do the job,....over the last three years. Someday we should meet for a beer and chat, so your close enough that I can throw pretzels at ya. Not saying Halladay has got nothing left in the tank, but you never know when it's gonna run dry. Pitcher's tank sensors are very poor. If Halladay becomes just 95% of himself he'd still be awesome, but it'd cost the Phillies a win or two that they might need. Polanco at .319 is still better than he's going to finish, not to mention he's probably a step down defensively, if only slightly. Victorino is putting up power numbers but otherwise underperforming, but not as much as it seems because he just might not be that good. Ibanez is probably going to hit better, but not much better, since it's been basically a year now since he's been real good. Honestly, I've always felt the Phillies have overperformed/stepped up when they had to. Hamels pitched amazingly in the '08 playoffs or maybe they don't win anything. However this has always been coupled with a Mets collapse, or them stepping up never would've done anything. I think the Mets, now with a lead, can hold off the Phillies and beat them without help. Not that I'm rooting for the Phillies here. I'm not rooting for any of them. let the series be 2-1 with a 22 inning bullpen battering Thursday.