Ceetar

metsguyinmichigan wrote: Ceetar wrote: Rockin' Doc wrote: TransMonk wrote: It is my opinion that the 2011 team is not a playoff contender and that there is nothing that Sandy can do that will save us money AND push us over the edge this season. I would rather see him improve the club for the next several years than take any sort of risk on this year's team at the expense of the future. I'm with you brother monk. I think the Mets are better served to build for the future, rather than make a desperate attempt to miraculously make the playoffs this season. If the Mets can free up some money and gain a prospect or two by trading Rodriguez to the Yankees (or another team), then I'm all for it. Rodriguez has done a good job for the Mets this year, but I would rather use money to help resign Reyes than pay Rodriquez $17.5 mill. to close games next season. They shouldn't make a desperate attempt for a miracle, but they shouldn't get in it's way either. Don't forget about adding Santana. Now -- to make room for Santana, what about putting one of the starters in the closer's role? Or, thinking out of the box, Santana himself. Not forever, but as a solution to fill the role after trading KRod? me and my father were talking about that this weekend. Santana to the bullpen. He did it before, way back when, and I think he'd still be able to handle it. I'm not sure if it's better for his shoulder strength to pitch every 5-6 but throw 100, or 3-4 times in a week and possibly two days in a row? recovery time between outings? I"m no doc, but I wonder if adding him as a reliever, especially in Sept where he wouldn't take up a roster spot even if you only pitched him every 3 days, would raise the probability that we see him.

The Giambino crushes one into the bleacher creatures to tie the game at one. supposedly some Yankees fans applauded. Here's home Tulo continues his NY-killing ways.

Rockin' Doc wrote: TransMonk wrote: It is my opinion that the 2011 team is not a playoff contender and that there is nothing that Sandy can do that will save us money AND push us over the edge this season. I would rather see him improve the club for the next several years than take any sort of risk on this year's team at the expense of the future. I'm with you brother monk. I think the Mets are better served to build for the future, rather than make a desperate attempt to miraculously make the playoffs this season. If the Mets can free up some money and gain a prospect or two by trading Rodriguez to the Yankees (or another team), then I'm all for it. Rodriguez has done a good job for the Mets this year, but I would rather use money to help resign Reyes than pay Rodriquez $17.5 mill. to close games next season. They shouldn't make a desperate attempt for a miracle, but they shouldn't get in it's way either.

I Split G GS PA AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB SO BA OBP SLG OPS BAbip Day 137 127 555 492 58 118 27 3 18 71 51 125 .240 .312 .417 .728 .280 Night 370 356 1597 1442 251 482 96 11 81 292 128 271 .334 .391 .585 .976 .364 Provided by Baseball-Reference.com: View Original Table Generated 6/24/2011.

TransMonk wrote: I'd rather be better in 2012, 2013, 2014 and 2015 than risk any of those seasons and come up short in 2011. Eggs in baskets got us into this payroll mess. I'm not suggesting they trade prospects for A.J. Burnett or Vernon Wells or some such insane contract. More mundane stuff than that. or guys you actually like long term that teams aren't looking to resign. While you have names like Fielder out there, there are probably more average guys that teams are probably going to let walk away that Sandy can ask after. You're trading a chance now for a chance later. Next year you'll flip that chance for a chance in 2013. Is that how we got into this mess? Maybe not being aggressive at the 2007-2008 deadlines cost us playoffs, endless revenue, and got us into this mess. It's easy to point to one thing to blame, but it's rarely that simple.

Edgy DC wrote: ugh, 8:05. I was totally timing my evening for Happy Hour->Pick up pizza on way home to arrive at 7:05. Pick up whiskey on way to pizza. Pick up barfly on way to whiskey. 8:05 should work out. I've been told I should cook the sausages in the fridge, not get pizza. Maybe I shoudl stop and get some Texas Toast.

TransMonk wrote: Reyes SS Turner 3B Beltran RF Bay LF Hariston DH (initmidating, ain't it?) Paulino C Pagan CF Murphy 1B Tejada 2B I'd have put Duda there. or if it's Hairston, Beltran.

seawolf17 wrote: How about Bay (11:$16M, 12:$16M, 13:$16M, 14:$17M club option/$3M buyout) and Pelfrey to the Yankees for Burnett (11:$16.5M, 12:$16.5M, 13:$16.5M), Romine (the catcher), and one of the Trenton pitchers (Betances or Banuelos)? we just got rid of Perez. no. That's a horrible contract, for about as much WAR as Frankie, who only has one year. Hughes instead of Burnett? no, I'd rather Pelfrey than Hughes anyway.

If you wait around for the team to be the 'best on paper' and 'look like a winner' you might never get there. How long do you wait around until this team feels like a winner? Bottom line is they're playing roughly .500 baseball, and slightly better after a slow start, and will be adding David Freaking Wright mid-season. Why would the Mets decide to look in the mirror and decide to just play out the string, whatever, lets put the Bisons in? Why would the front office, with August being the make or break month in attendance, decide that it'd be better to roll the dice on next year instead of tweaking the team to be a good one? They have to think that the difference in attendance, interest and revenue for an August team sans a closer and RF slugger, etc and one where they maybe add a reliever or a bench guy and win some big games is huge.

I can't wait until some creative announcers says he's "Flashing the Leather" when he makes a good play. twitter says he's signing Sunday.

ugh, 8:05. I was totally timing my evening for Happy Hour->Pick up pizza on way home to arrive at 7:05.

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: Ceetar's trying to win the division. The _Mets_ are trying to win the division. I'm just in-line with that thinking.

TransMonk wrote: Ceetar wrote: doubt Pelfrey gets traded. I think pitching of his talent is in demand. And the Mets need more pitching, not less. They'll end up spending at least what they got for him, in either prospects or money, trying to replace him. What if we get a league minimum back-end starter (with a few years left before free agency) back in a deal for Rodriguez or Beltran? How many guys are consistantly back end starters? That aren't a coin flip away from being back-end AAA starters? That teams are actually willing to trade? I think Pelfrey's an above average pitcher who will occasionally struggle but works hard and has the talent to recover and make adjustments. I'm sure the right deal may be out there if Sandy's willing to roll the dice, but what you're basically saying is you can probably get somewhat of a Pelf equivilency in a deal for Frankie or Beltran (I'm not convinced Beltran will be traded all now, given Duda/F-Mart/etc. Too much of an offensive dropoff). I'd just as soon keep Pelfrey in that regard..Devil you know.. Mets would _still_ probably need another pitcher. At least. I mean, Pelfrey's bWAR was 2.9, 0, 2.4 and stands at .5 right now. If we assume he'll have just a slightly better second half than first, he'll probably get to around 1.5 this year. Only about 120 pitchers did better than that last year, including relievers. I don't think $5, or $12/2 is a lot for a guy like that.

Edgy DC wrote: Ceetar wrote: Why would anyone trade something for him that would make the Mets better (presumably making them worse?) Unless you're talking about this as more of a lateral move where we swap excess for excess, but I'd argue that we don't have excess talent in the bullpen. Because trades are basically about different needs and different valuations on assets. I suppose. I'd swap Frankie for a power hitting first baseman rental type guy maybe. Brewers need some relief?

Edgy DC wrote: And yeah, I doubt we'd lose much by moivng him and it's possilbe we'd gain. We'd almost certainly gain when you count the reinvestment of money saved. Why would anyone trade something for him that would make the Mets better (presumably making them worse?) Unless you're talking about this as more of a lateral move where we swap excess for excess, but I'd argue that we don't have excess talent in the bullpen. It's also far from certain that you'd gain long term. (and long term merely means next year) It depends on if the team is going to be built with the idea of making a profit, or fielding the best team within the preset budget. But I believe those numbers have been, and will continue to be, crunched. So Sandy Alderson knows if he's going to desperately need that 14/17.5 million or not. The payroll could be 125 without him or 142 with him. Do we know that Alderson is going to just not sign a 5th/6th starter if it's going to push the payroll to 147 (130 without Frankie) ? Not to mention the other factors, the possibility of renegotiating, getting around the option and offering arbitration (and presumably paying him like 13 anyway), and how much of that money is going towards a new closer/reliever. There's just a lot of talk, and I'm just as guilty of it, about this silly option, when all evidence seems to point to the Mets themselves not being that worried about it.

TransMonk wrote: 2011 Mets < 2007 Phillies You wouldn't have said that if you were looking at these teams at this point in 2007. also, i'm not so sure about that.

doubt Pelfrey gets traded. I think pitching of his talent is in demand. And the Mets need more pitching, not less. They'll end up spending at least what they got for him, in either prospects or money, trying to replace him.

I suspect we might see a new bench guy and a new reliever. I don't know if there are any starters for him to pick up though.

Frayed Knot wrote: Put it this way, if we could wave a magic wand and make Frankie disappear tomorrow and Buchholz re-appear and stay healthy for the remainder of the season the NYM bullpen might be slightly worse than before to the point of maybe costing a game or two over the remainder of the year. And then there's the money saved plus whatever haul is brought back by moving him (maybe not much depending on the money split). I refuse to sacrifice any games any year. The team can't have that attitude, because you just never know. What if the Phillies had offloaded a player in July of 2007 and figured it'd only cost them a game or two overall? Obviously 17.5 is too much for a 60IP pitcher, even one of the best, but I'm not going to worry about it. If Alderson feels that he needs that money, then he'll find a way to not pay it to him. If he feels it won't get in the way of the budget he has and needs to do what he's gotta do, then I don't care what he gets paid. i.e. I'll take just about any other player instead of 17.5KRod, but if it doesn't have to be either/or, I'd like to keep a good reliever in that pen.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr wrote: Near as I can tell, between his childhood, HS, college, and his pro career, this is the first time homey's left the state, ever. And the first place he sees outside of Florida is going to be...Binghamton? yikes.

Lance and Jose are the only two Mets to ever lead the league in hits. while Mets anyway. I smell a trivia coming on..

seawolf17 wrote: I think Jose's trying to catch Krane before the year is out. on pace for 227. which would only tie the Franchise record.

Ashie62 wrote: I think we be keepin Wright and Reyes be-leavin. this would be a comment from 2017?

Frayed Knot wrote: metsguyinmichigan wrote: Is that former Met Chris Clark at first for the A's? I didn't know where he would resurface. It's Chris Carter ... but not the ex-NYM Chris Carter. This one is larger, and blacker, ... and gooder. played first like our Chris. well, our William. Their Vernon. Chris is the middle name.

So Terry is now the 27th longest tenured manager. really climbing the list fast.