Edgy MD wrote: Ceetar wrote: He's worthy. And he's also a good defender and won't lose as much value as say A-Rod, via defense, at the tail end of that contract. somewhat stationary/aging outfielders aren't as big an impediment as stationary SS or even 3B. I'll disagree here. A poor fielding shortstop has as much value as a solid fielding first baseman or left fielder --- and much more than a poor-fielding one --- and can certainly slide to another position. well, this gets into nitty gritty stuff, but I still think WAR and various defensive measures are overvaluing defense in general and the difference between SS and OF specifically. Only 2 SS had lower DEF (which is adjusted to position) on fangraphs than Stanton last year. So that agrees with you, i'm just a little skeptical. It's why I'm skeptical of using Flores at SS (though if you're going to give me the likely much better hitter Hanley Ramirez there, I'm much more convinceable) But that's not quite what I meant, I mean that I think the defensive tools needed to play the outfield degrade less and slower than those at SS. That Stanton's defensive value is a more stable commodity than A-Rod's was. And yes, moving is always possible, particularly for these types of guys. A-Rod, Stanton, etc are all excellent athletes that you'd expect to prevail wherever you put them. John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: I also think Stanton hasta be on the juice. Well hell, he's passing the tests, so good for him. It'd be nice to know what type of long term damage the juice might or might not be doing though, in terms of valuation.