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Is it Newman or Cohen? I'm mixing them up but I'm seeing them mixed up in reports too. It's Cohen who was fired for sure, but the reports on who the creep was seem less sure.

TRANSITION PERIOD but nevermind, I found it. Lindvall's LinkedIn has July 2021 on her resume, though her title still lists as New YOrk Mets. I don't know about the other guy. I couldn't find any press about whether or not the Mets had followed through, or how long the transition period would be.

cite your sources please re: HR lady.

Beane is still going to answer to Sandy and Steve. We haven't even received confirmation that the Mets no longer employ the offender or the HR lady, nor really any indication that they're going to do better, or how they're going to do better, vetting of candidates.

I'm sorry, I didn't use the very specific legal terms to completely clarify a point that's been public knowledge for months. YOU KNOW WHAT I MEANT. especially given the context. This asshole gets none of the benefit of the doubt for 'avoiding red flags' going forward.

THEY HIRED SEX CREEPS INTENTIONALLY how many times do i have to write it before YOU read it?

meaningless semantics! They chose the sex creeps! Not _because_ they were, obviously. What's the point in clarifying that? With Bauer you could make the case that the production outweighs the harassment (which is a broader problem with the sport, the media covering it, and the fans themselves), but hiring rando front office guys that make the workplace toxic when you could choose from literally anyone else in the whole world is very clearly CHOOSING to hire a sex creep. It's malicious and cruel and anyone that does that in ANY JOB should be fired immediately.

You started this. You said the Mets would have to try hard to miss red flags, and I merely clarified that they've given no indication that they're trying to miss them. This is a true statement, and they certainly don't deserve the benefit of the doubt that they're going to change in the future. How many sexist workplace cultures does Cohen have to own before it reflects poorly on him? But even aside that, that was like one sentence of a whole point that you singled out and tried to pick apart, but nothing you said shed any light on anything, so I'm not even sure what the point is.

well, maybe you should pay attention ,because that's how it was reported. Obviously the specific words were mine, but the situation was not. The Mets employees said "don't hire that fucking sex creep" and Sandy hired him anyway. Go ahead and try to explain to me how that's not intentional pursuit of sex creeps. Or are you arguing semantics again?

Mets employee: "Here's a red flag for that hire" Sandy: "meh" Mets employee; "Here's a red flag for that same hire" Sandy: "noted." *Hires employee anyway" Mets employees goes to HR. HR Lady: "This isn't important, go away." It's NOT a new and different thing. It's the thing.

Edgy MD wrote: so they'd have to be really trying to miss any red flags. It's not so much that they miss the red flags, it's that they are aggressively pursuing them, despite multiple people waving the flags in their faces. GM is only gonna be as good as the people around him. Maybe a new guy aggressively hires, but that's not going to happen immediately. We occasionally here a bit on the analytics/advisors front, and it's been okay, but I don't know if we, the public, know enough about it to say that they're good and being ignored, or they're missing something critical and aren't particularly adding much. (This is almost impossible to tell, because the specific nature of team-facing analytics is extremely secretive, so no one's comparing the Mets database to the Red Sox, as much as I'd like to) I'm not hopeful if these are the guys advising Rojas' lineups, but a lot of his justifications for them, or bullpen moves, seem pretty in the "manager's gut" realm to me.

I'm a little concerned, though not surprised, that so much of the chatter is 'flashy names'. Not hearing a lot of "Mets are interesting in this unknown under the radar (man) from Boston, they're just waiting for permission to chat officially"

[bLOCKQUOTE]The Tampa Bay Rays are adding a sign to the back wall of Tropicana Field for the postseason to advertise their plan to split home games in future seasons between Florida and Montreal. Team president Matt Silverman announced the plan on Saturday's "This Week in Rays Baseball" radio show, according to Marc Topkin of the Tampa Bay Times. "We're going to add a sign in the right field foul territory with a very simple Tampa Bay Montreal graphic," Silverman said. "Especially with the eyes of baseball on us this October, we want that visible symbol of our plan and our excitement for it. It will mark the effort subtly and keep the focus on winning." While the plan hasn't officially been put in place, Silverman said it's the best path forward to keep baseball in the area.[/bLOCKQUOTE] https://www.thescore.com/mlb/news/2199110https://www.thescore.com/mlb/news/2199110 Wait, the plan is to make sure every local fan can prominently see their intention to take half their home games away? of course, because this is about TV. MLB doesn't care about people in the stadiums, that's secondary, if not tertiary. This expands the Rays tv market, presumably gets them another TV deal and a whole new set of advertisers. I wouldn't be surprised if there's some legal loophole that allows the Rays to inject themselves into that market this way. (As opposed to like, the Yankees making a deal with Fox Sports Midwest to play 15 games in like, the Field of Dreams field) This could be problematic for some Blue Jays fans too, who might end up with their local tv picking up Rays games instead of Blue Jays, but still being in a "blackout" area for the Blue Jays.

of course they did. they probably think they're original with it too.

you know what probably gives quite few people pause on working with the Mets? SEXUAL HARASSMENT. but sure, he sent a bitchy tweet, that's the story.

Johnny Lunchbucket wrote: I wish our fun and insightful discussion of the story of baseball we discuss here everyday was not continually corrupted by ignorance as to the role of news media or its process in helping us understand it. We have had the same argument a hundred times here.. It's not ignorance, it's disagreement as to what that role is, or should be, and not continually just accepting it as it's been for decades.

Edgy MD wrote: If we need a source to say that Cohen's tweets are counterproductive and embarrassing, I'm happy to be that guy. Heck, I'll even put my name on the record. well you're not up for a job, and neither is Samson, or likely whoever made the statements. The Mets haven't been particularly forthcoming about who they're searching for, and have bristled at the idea of having a better hiring process, so we don't even really know WHO would potentially be turned away. Which is part of my point. For instance, I can rant about how I wouldn't work for Amazon given how Bezos behaves and the reputation the company has, but if they're not actually considering me and have plenty of people to hire, what does it matter what I think? Also I'd totally cave for the right package. So the statement becomes extra meaningless, because it might not even really be true. See also: vaccine mandates for employers. I've expressed my doubts about the notion that it will steer good candidates away from the organization, but I'm more concerned whether the organization will be attracted to good candidates. Same. 'good' is a little bit of a variable even, and they haven't yet even shown that they're even going to go as far as not hire guys your employees tell them is a creep.

not really. One idiot saying thing is not a vital issue unless the writer decides it is. Therefore, PUMA thinks it is. He's the one deciding it's a vital issue. Even if this random person reached out to him and was all "I need to complain about tweeting! how daft!" he could still say "why are you whining to me?". No, Puma likely reached out to contacts. It makes sense, if you're harping that story. It's also why Cohen guessed it was Samson, because it's someone who worked closely with owners, and is likely to have an opinion. OPINION. Him saying so does NOT make it so. Puma thinking it is vital, does NOT make it so. Whether or not Cohen is a dingbat is irrelevant to whether or not the media or discarded former front office folk should be policing how he conducts himself. Especially not the guy who got reprimanded for making fat jokes about the players he covers.

The Mets as a whole haven't been particularly kind to the media for years, though Cohen clearly takes it to another level. Brodie was just more tight-lipped in general, basically refusing to give them anything, something Sandy seems to have continued in a way, which probably reflects on other less visible (Harold Kaufman?) front office members. That said, of course, Puma publishing a random individual with, at best, tenuous ties to any active baseball employees is shaping the narrative, not reporting the narrative. It might as well have been a WFAN caller for all the weight it has. This was PUMA saying he thinks Cohen tweeting is unprofessional or whatever, and it comes off as nonsense gate-keeping, something that's already a huge problem for the Mets, and the media harassing them when they do anything outside of how they think it should be done is detrimental to getting a modern, innovative and diverse front office.

Cohen's tweeting is really "something". I wonder if it'll discourage some front office talent from wanting to work for him. A little more public than most, but I imagine most of these asshole owners are similar in their demeanor. Can someone cite the quote? I briefly looked when Steve tweeted it, but Puma hadn't even tweeted the link to his own article and looking at the Post headlines is just full of right wing propaganda and idiocy. (apparently they don't know that someone born in Toronto is an immigrant.) Samson denied it btw, and how would Steve know it was him anyway? Unless Steve is asking Puma's bosses, if they even knew.

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And Keith didn't have to have his friends sneak him women out the back door.

=kcmets post_id=77950 time=1631795472 user_id=53] =Ceetar post_id=77949 time=1631794624 user_id=102]and his drugs weren't performance enhancing!

and his drugs weren't performance enhancing!

I mean, that's what the drug he was caught for does. it's a bodybuilding one. Doesn't even sound like a good baseball one, and reading up on it made me wonder if it contributed to his injuries.