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Pagan 1 Castillo 1 Francouer 1 Murphy 1 Pelfrey 3 Feliciano 0.5 Stokes 0.5 Tatis 0.5 F Rodriguez 1

="LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr":82emr7ug]Catlike-- to be fair, more Garfield than Abyssinian-- agility from Redding on a grounder to end the top of the 4th. He's cruising with uncommon and uncharacteristic ease so far.[/quote:82emr7ug] More like Siamese...bred to protect the Buffalo herd..and 1969 night! LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Aug 22 2009 06:49 PM Murphy double and a Santos walk (!) and a Valdez groundout mean Mr. ChinPubes has a chance to help his own cause (TM). cooby Aug 22 2009 06:49 PM I was under the impression that Pedro was pitching tonight Ashie62 Aug 22 2009 06:52 PM ="cooby":yafnwg8v]I was under the impression that Pedro was pitching tonight[/quote:yafnwg8v] Tomorrow...Personally, I hope he gets booed LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Aug 22 2009 06:55 PM ="cooby"]I was under the impression that Pedro was pitching tonight Tomorrow, against... um... that guy with the eyes and two arms. Seriously, I must be drunk... Tim's looking great. (1 hit, 4 baserunners through 5.) bmfc1 Aug 22 2009 06:59 PM ="Ashie62":1vep5169]I could see with these guys if you come to them respectfully they would give you a moment rather than the stink eye [/quote:1vep5169] True, but there were exceptions, like Gaspar who came over to us to say hi, shoot the bull, and make sure we were having a good time. LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Aug 22 2009 07:02 PM Sheffield hits some great foul balls! LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Aug 22 2009 07:05 PM Um... 80 pitches through 5 innings, with 1 hit allowed. So... he's pulled for Misch? Really? metirish Aug 22 2009 07:09 PM Utley didn't misch that bmfc1 Aug 22 2009 07:17 PM Geez, Misch is so bad that he makes us miss Redding. That's tough to do. LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Aug 22 2009 07:19 PM Redding generally does well against the Phils... and he was cruising. And he'd thrown 81 pitches. (AND, if you're feeling a bit cynical... he's a FA after the year. If it's the pitch count that had him coming out... then why the f*ck is he on a hard pitch count?) Edgy DC Aug 22 2009 07:42 PM ="LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr":21wp7597]Um... 80 pitches through 5 innings, with 1 hit allowed. So... he's pulled for Misch? Really?[/quote:21wp7597] It's loony, isn't it? What's the matter with people? LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Aug 22 2009 07:42 PM Edited 2 time(s), most recently on Aug 22 2009 07:47 PM Only in 2009 Flushing moment # 739: Anderson Hernandez... pinch-hitter. seawolf17 Aug 22 2009 07:46 PM I tell you, nothing celebrates former championships like handing current legends like Dave Williams and Tim Redding the ball to start. Edgy DC Aug 22 2009 07:49 PM Nothing celebrates the legacy of Gil Hodges like the manager pulling a cruiisng pitcher throwing his best game of the season after 81 pitches because of delusions that he's going to find the magic formula to a bulletproof bullpen. LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Aug 22 2009 07:53 PM ="Edgy DC":1wef5git]Nothing celebrates the legacy of Gil Hodges like the manager pulling a cruiisng pitcher throwing his best game of the season after 81 pitches because of delusions that he's going to find the magic formula to a bulletproof bullpen.[/quote:1wef5git] There may have been other managers I've disliked more. But I don't think there's been a single Met skipper who's turned my language as dirty as our own Gangsta-in-Chief. metirish Aug 22 2009 07:56 PM Cohen mentioned a pitch count when he was setting the game up, still as noted he was cruising and a win tonight would have capped a nice night. Edgy DC Aug 22 2009 08:02 PM ="LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr":111wknnb]="Edgy DC":111wknnb]Nothing celebrates the legacy of Gil Hodges like the manager pulling a cruiisng pitcher throwing his best game of the season after 81 pitches because of delusions that he's going to find the magic formula to a bulletproof bullpen.[/quote:111wknnb] There may have been other managers I've disliked more. But I don't think there's been a single Met skipper who's turned my language as dirty as our own Gangsta-in-Chief.[/quote:111wknnb] I demand the chance to manage this team. Demand it. LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Aug 22 2009 08:12 PM ="Edgy DC"]="LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr"]="Edgy DC"]Nothing celebrates the legacy of Gil Hodges like the manager pulling a cruiisng pitcher throwing his best game of the season after 81 pitches because of delusions that he's going to find the magic formula to a bulletproof bullpen. There may have been other managers I've disliked more. But I don't think there's been a single Met skipper who's turned my language as dirty as our own Gangsta-in-Chief. I demand the chance to manage this team. Demand it. Ashie62 Aug 22 2009 08:21 PM I don't remember much bitching about the Ryan deal, not even from Dick Young or the Otis trade Fregosi sucked and Foy was a drug addict Nymr83 Aug 23 2009 12:28 AM I was out playing poker tonight so i missed the game, looking at the box score i need to ask: why was Redding pulled after only 5 solid innings and 80 pitches? Nymr83 Aug 23 2009 12:32 AM ="Edgy DC":vfttmgxl]="LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr":vfttmgxl]="Edgy DC":vfttmgxl]Nothing celebrates the legacy of Gil Hodges like the manager pulling a cruiisng pitcher throwing his best game of the season after 81 pitches because of delusions that he's going to find the magic formula to a bulletproof bullpen.[/quote:vfttmgxl] There may have been other managers I've disliked more. But I don't think there's been a single Met skipper who's turned my language as dirty as our own Gangsta-in-Chief.[/quote:vfttmgxl] I demand the chance to manage this team. Demand it.[/quote:vfttmgxl] I still liked both Howe and Randolph less, Randolph had alot more to work with in 2007 (and the poor start to 2008) than Jerry has left standing this year, and this team did ok even with Delgado and Reyes hurt, it wasn't until Beltran joined them that the team really blew up.

I'm not sure Duffy was a man of words ever.. I could see with these guys if you come to them respectfully they would give you a moment rather than the stink eye I swear Kooz was getting drunker as he spoke

I don't see Sheff has any future with the Mets beyond this year. Wouldn't it be easiest to trade him or let him go?? might lose a draft pick, but Sheff did well..cut the old man a break, and loose

Kooz is sloshed also...Keith's stool? "I'm Keith Hernandez"

rollins still sucks

="bmfc1":2qyrns0w]Pignitano mentioned Fantasy Camp. Besides Joe, five others from tonight were at Camp when I was there: Kranepool, Gaspar, Swoboda, Dyer, McAndrew. Pignitano was very warm and friendly to us.[/quote:2qyrns0w] He always struck me as friendly..I'm guessing Krane & Dyer were quiet, Swoboda a cut-up. Great you got to do that** Ashie62 Aug 22 2009 06:32 PM rollins still sucks LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Aug 22 2009 06:34 PM Sheffail. And there will be no Frenching in this course, mon amis. LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Aug 22 2009 06:37 PM ="Ashie62":1e5k71vq]="LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr":1e5k71vq]Not sure... but I swear Ron was staring daggers at Ralph during the last half-inning. (Maybe because he's the one forced into standing?)[/quote:1e5k71vq] I think Ron was bored..lotta old men in the booth[/quote:1e5k71vq] Koos gets a stool. Keith isn't giving up his seat for anyone. Ron, apparently, needs a better agent. Ashie62 Aug 22 2009 06:38 PM Kooz is sloshed also...Keith's stool? "I'm Keith Hernandez" bmfc1 Aug 22 2009 06:41 PM ="Ashie62":39hs72h4]="bmfc1":39hs72h4]Pignitano mentioned Fantasy Camp. Besides Joe, five others from tonight were at Camp when I was there: Kranepool, Gaspar, Swoboda, Dyer, McAndrew. Pignitano was very warm and friendly to us.[/quote:39hs72h4] He always struck me as friendly..I'm guessing Krane & Dyer were quiet, Swoboda a cut-up. Great you got to do that**[/quote:39hs72h4] Correct on all three counts. Kranepool was reserved but spoke with you if you approached him. Dyer didn't say much, even if you asked. Swoboda was having fun the whole time. LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Aug 22 2009 06:42 PM Catlike-- to be fair, more Garfield than Abyssinian-- agility from Redding on a grounder to end the top of the 4th. He's cruising with uncommon and uncharacteristic ease so far. Ashie62 Aug 22 2009 06:43 PM I'm not sure Duffy was a man of words ever.. I could see with these guys if you come to them respectfully they would give you a moment rather than the stink eye I swear Kooz was getting drunker as he spoke Ashie62 Aug 22 2009 06:44 PM ="LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr":82emr7ug]Catlike-- to be fair, more Garfield than Abyssinian-- agility from Redding on a grounder to end the top of the 4th. He's cruising with uncommon and uncharacteristic ease so far.[/quote:82emr7ug] More like Siamese...bred to protect the Buffalo herd..and 1969 night! LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Aug 22 2009 06:49 PM Murphy double and a Santos walk (!) and a Valdez groundout mean Mr. ChinPubes has a chance to help his own cause (TM). cooby Aug 22 2009 06:49 PM I was under the impression that Pedro was pitching tonight Ashie62 Aug 22 2009 06:52 PM ="cooby":yafnwg8v]I was under the impression that Pedro was pitching tonight[/quote:yafnwg8v] Tomorrow...Personally, I hope he gets booed LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Aug 22 2009 06:55 PM ="cooby"]I was under the impression that Pedro was pitching tonight Tomorrow, against... um... that guy with the eyes and two arms. Seriously, I must be drunk... Tim's looking great. (1 hit, 4 baserunners through 5.) bmfc1 Aug 22 2009 06:59 PM ="Ashie62":1vep5169]I could see with these guys if you come to them respectfully they would give you a moment rather than the stink eye [/quote:1vep5169] True, but there were exceptions, like Gaspar who came over to us to say hi, shoot the bull, and make sure we were having a good time. LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Aug 22 2009 07:02 PM Sheffield hits some great foul balls! LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Aug 22 2009 07:05 PM Um... 80 pitches through 5 innings, with 1 hit allowed. So... he's pulled for Misch? Really? metirish Aug 22 2009 07:09 PM Utley didn't misch that bmfc1 Aug 22 2009 07:17 PM Geez, Misch is so bad that he makes us miss Redding. That's tough to do. LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Aug 22 2009 07:19 PM Redding generally does well against the Phils... and he was cruising. And he'd thrown 81 pitches. (AND, if you're feeling a bit cynical... he's a FA after the year. If it's the pitch count that had him coming out... then why the f*ck is he on a hard pitch count?) Edgy DC Aug 22 2009 07:42 PM ="LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr":21wp7597]Um... 80 pitches through 5 innings, with 1 hit allowed. So... he's pulled for Misch? Really?[/quote:21wp7597] It's loony, isn't it? What's the matter with people? LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Aug 22 2009 07:42 PM Edited 2 time(s), most recently on Aug 22 2009 07:47 PM Only in 2009 Flushing moment # 739: Anderson Hernandez... pinch-hitter. seawolf17 Aug 22 2009 07:46 PM I tell you, nothing celebrates former championships like handing current legends like Dave Williams and Tim Redding the ball to start. Edgy DC Aug 22 2009 07:49 PM Nothing celebrates the legacy of Gil Hodges like the manager pulling a cruiisng pitcher throwing his best game of the season after 81 pitches because of delusions that he's going to find the magic formula to a bulletproof bullpen. LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Aug 22 2009 07:53 PM ="Edgy DC":1wef5git]Nothing celebrates the legacy of Gil Hodges like the manager pulling a cruiisng pitcher throwing his best game of the season after 81 pitches because of delusions that he's going to find the magic formula to a bulletproof bullpen.[/quote:1wef5git] There may have been other managers I've disliked more. But I don't think there's been a single Met skipper who's turned my language as dirty as our own Gangsta-in-Chief. metirish Aug 22 2009 07:56 PM Cohen mentioned a pitch count when he was setting the game up, still as noted he was cruising and a win tonight would have capped a nice night. Edgy DC Aug 22 2009 08:02 PM ="LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr":111wknnb]="Edgy DC":111wknnb]Nothing celebrates the legacy of Gil Hodges like the manager pulling a cruiisng pitcher throwing his best game of the season after 81 pitches because of delusions that he's going to find the magic formula to a bulletproof bullpen.[/quote:111wknnb] There may have been other managers I've disliked more. But I don't think there's been a single Met skipper who's turned my language as dirty as our own Gangsta-in-Chief.[/quote:111wknnb] I demand the chance to manage this team. Demand it. LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Aug 22 2009 08:12 PM ="Edgy DC"]="LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr"]="Edgy DC"]Nothing celebrates the legacy of Gil Hodges like the manager pulling a cruiisng pitcher throwing his best game of the season after 81 pitches because of delusions that he's going to find the magic formula to a bulletproof bullpen. There may have been other managers I've disliked more. But I don't think there's been a single Met skipper who's turned my language as dirty as our own Gangsta-in-Chief. I demand the chance to manage this team. Demand it. Ashie62 Aug 22 2009 08:21 PM I don't remember much bitching about the Ryan deal, not even from Dick Young or the Otis trade Fregosi sucked and Foy was a drug addict Nymr83 Aug 23 2009 12:28 AM I was out playing poker tonight so i missed the game, looking at the box score i need to ask: why was Redding pulled after only 5 solid innings and 80 pitches? Nymr83 Aug 23 2009 12:32 AM ="Edgy DC":vfttmgxl]="LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr":vfttmgxl]="Edgy DC":vfttmgxl]Nothing celebrates the legacy of Gil Hodges like the manager pulling a cruiisng pitcher throwing his best game of the season after 81 pitches because of delusions that he's going to find the magic formula to a bulletproof bullpen.[/quote:vfttmgxl] There may have been other managers I've disliked more. But I don't think there's been a single Met skipper who's turned my language as dirty as our own Gangsta-in-Chief.[/quote:vfttmgxl] I demand the chance to manage this team. Demand it.[/quote:vfttmgxl] I still liked both Howe and Randolph less, Randolph had alot more to work with in 2007 (and the poor start to 2008) than Jerry has left standing this year, and this team did ok even with Delgado and Reyes hurt, it wasn't until Beltran joined them that the team really blew up.

I fucked up my recorder also..shit..well, SNY will show it often About Tug...Beloved Met for sure, but at a Met game at Jarry park in the dark ages he was nas-tee... The good part was pitchers warmed on the 1B lines and Seaver was starting (Sciatica year 1975 or 6) and a got a pitching coaches view of the warm-up.

="LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr":10j6eusg]Not sure... but I swear Ron was staring daggers at Ralph during the last half-inning. (Maybe because he's the one forced into standing?)[/quote:10j6eusg] I think Ron was bored..lotta old men in the booth bmfc1 Aug 22 2009 06:25 PM Pignitano mentioned Fantasy Camp. Besides Joe, five others from tonight were at Camp when I was there: Kranepool, Gaspar, Swoboda, Dyer, McAndrew. Pignitano was very warm and friendly to us. LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Aug 22 2009 06:30 PM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Aug 22 2009 06:31 PM Rollins makes a sweet stop on a Castillo laser (you can't stop him, you can only hope to contain his bustin'-loose power), and the Mets catch a break on the "safe" call at first. Ashie62 Aug 22 2009 06:30 PM ="bmfc1":2qyrns0w]Pignitano mentioned Fantasy Camp. Besides Joe, five others from tonight were at Camp when I was there: Kranepool, Gaspar, Swoboda, Dyer, McAndrew. Pignitano was very warm and friendly to us.[/quote:2qyrns0w] He always struck me as friendly..I'm guessing Krane & Dyer were quiet, Swoboda a cut-up. Great you got to do that** Ashie62 Aug 22 2009 06:32 PM rollins still sucks LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Aug 22 2009 06:34 PM Sheffail. And there will be no Frenching in this course, mon amis. LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Aug 22 2009 06:37 PM ="Ashie62":1e5k71vq]="LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr":1e5k71vq]Not sure... but I swear Ron was staring daggers at Ralph during the last half-inning. (Maybe because he's the one forced into standing?)[/quote:1e5k71vq] I think Ron was bored..lotta old men in the booth[/quote:1e5k71vq] Koos gets a stool. Keith isn't giving up his seat for anyone. Ron, apparently, needs a better agent. Ashie62 Aug 22 2009 06:38 PM Kooz is sloshed also...Keith's stool? "I'm Keith Hernandez" bmfc1 Aug 22 2009 06:41 PM ="Ashie62":39hs72h4]="bmfc1":39hs72h4]Pignitano mentioned Fantasy Camp. Besides Joe, five others from tonight were at Camp when I was there: Kranepool, Gaspar, Swoboda, Dyer, McAndrew. Pignitano was very warm and friendly to us.[/quote:39hs72h4] He always struck me as friendly..I'm guessing Krane & Dyer were quiet, Swoboda a cut-up. Great you got to do that**[/quote:39hs72h4] Correct on all three counts. Kranepool was reserved but spoke with you if you approached him. Dyer didn't say much, even if you asked. Swoboda was having fun the whole time. LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Aug 22 2009 06:42 PM Catlike-- to be fair, more Garfield than Abyssinian-- agility from Redding on a grounder to end the top of the 4th. He's cruising with uncommon and uncharacteristic ease so far. Ashie62 Aug 22 2009 06:43 PM I'm not sure Duffy was a man of words ever.. I could see with these guys if you come to them respectfully they would give you a moment rather than the stink eye I swear Kooz was getting drunker as he spoke Ashie62 Aug 22 2009 06:44 PM ="LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr":82emr7ug]Catlike-- to be fair, more Garfield than Abyssinian-- agility from Redding on a grounder to end the top of the 4th. He's cruising with uncommon and uncharacteristic ease so far.[/quote:82emr7ug] More like Siamese...bred to protect the Buffalo herd..and 1969 night! LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Aug 22 2009 06:49 PM Murphy double and a Santos walk (!) and a Valdez groundout mean Mr. ChinPubes has a chance to help his own cause (TM). cooby Aug 22 2009 06:49 PM I was under the impression that Pedro was pitching tonight Ashie62 Aug 22 2009 06:52 PM ="cooby":yafnwg8v]I was under the impression that Pedro was pitching tonight[/quote:yafnwg8v] Tomorrow...Personally, I hope he gets booed LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Aug 22 2009 06:55 PM ="cooby"]I was under the impression that Pedro was pitching tonight Tomorrow, against... um... that guy with the eyes and two arms. Seriously, I must be drunk... Tim's looking great. (1 hit, 4 baserunners through 5.) bmfc1 Aug 22 2009 06:59 PM ="Ashie62":1vep5169]I could see with these guys if you come to them respectfully they would give you a moment rather than the stink eye [/quote:1vep5169] True, but there were exceptions, like Gaspar who came over to us to say hi, shoot the bull, and make sure we were having a good time. LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Aug 22 2009 07:02 PM Sheffield hits some great foul balls! LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Aug 22 2009 07:05 PM Um... 80 pitches through 5 innings, with 1 hit allowed. So... he's pulled for Misch? Really? metirish Aug 22 2009 07:09 PM Utley didn't misch that bmfc1 Aug 22 2009 07:17 PM Geez, Misch is so bad that he makes us miss Redding. That's tough to do. LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Aug 22 2009 07:19 PM Redding generally does well against the Phils... and he was cruising. And he'd thrown 81 pitches. (AND, if you're feeling a bit cynical... he's a FA after the year. If it's the pitch count that had him coming out... then why the f*ck is he on a hard pitch count?) Edgy DC Aug 22 2009 07:42 PM ="LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr":21wp7597]Um... 80 pitches through 5 innings, with 1 hit allowed. So... he's pulled for Misch? Really?[/quote:21wp7597] It's loony, isn't it? What's the matter with people? LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Aug 22 2009 07:42 PM Edited 2 time(s), most recently on Aug 22 2009 07:47 PM Only in 2009 Flushing moment # 739: Anderson Hernandez... pinch-hitter. seawolf17 Aug 22 2009 07:46 PM I tell you, nothing celebrates former championships like handing current legends like Dave Williams and Tim Redding the ball to start. Edgy DC Aug 22 2009 07:49 PM Nothing celebrates the legacy of Gil Hodges like the manager pulling a cruiisng pitcher throwing his best game of the season after 81 pitches because of delusions that he's going to find the magic formula to a bulletproof bullpen. LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Aug 22 2009 07:53 PM ="Edgy DC":1wef5git]Nothing celebrates the legacy of Gil Hodges like the manager pulling a cruiisng pitcher throwing his best game of the season after 81 pitches because of delusions that he's going to find the magic formula to a bulletproof bullpen.[/quote:1wef5git] There may have been other managers I've disliked more. But I don't think there's been a single Met skipper who's turned my language as dirty as our own Gangsta-in-Chief. metirish Aug 22 2009 07:56 PM Cohen mentioned a pitch count when he was setting the game up, still as noted he was cruising and a win tonight would have capped a nice night. Edgy DC Aug 22 2009 08:02 PM ="LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr":111wknnb]="Edgy DC":111wknnb]Nothing celebrates the legacy of Gil Hodges like the manager pulling a cruiisng pitcher throwing his best game of the season after 81 pitches because of delusions that he's going to find the magic formula to a bulletproof bullpen.[/quote:111wknnb] There may have been other managers I've disliked more. But I don't think there's been a single Met skipper who's turned my language as dirty as our own Gangsta-in-Chief.[/quote:111wknnb] I demand the chance to manage this team. Demand it. LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Aug 22 2009 08:12 PM ="Edgy DC"]="LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr"]="Edgy DC"]Nothing celebrates the legacy of Gil Hodges like the manager pulling a cruiisng pitcher throwing his best game of the season after 81 pitches because of delusions that he's going to find the magic formula to a bulletproof bullpen. There may have been other managers I've disliked more. But I don't think there's been a single Met skipper who's turned my language as dirty as our own Gangsta-in-Chief. I demand the chance to manage this team. Demand it. Ashie62 Aug 22 2009 08:21 PM I don't remember much bitching about the Ryan deal, not even from Dick Young or the Otis trade Fregosi sucked and Foy was a drug addict Nymr83 Aug 23 2009 12:28 AM I was out playing poker tonight so i missed the game, looking at the box score i need to ask: why was Redding pulled after only 5 solid innings and 80 pitches? Nymr83 Aug 23 2009 12:32 AM ="Edgy DC":vfttmgxl]="LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr":vfttmgxl]="Edgy DC":vfttmgxl]Nothing celebrates the legacy of Gil Hodges like the manager pulling a cruiisng pitcher throwing his best game of the season after 81 pitches because of delusions that he's going to find the magic formula to a bulletproof bullpen.[/quote:vfttmgxl] There may have been other managers I've disliked more. But I don't think there's been a single Met skipper who's turned my language as dirty as our own Gangsta-in-Chief.[/quote:vfttmgxl] I demand the chance to manage this team. Demand it.[/quote:vfttmgxl] I still liked both Howe and Randolph less, Randolph had alot more to work with in 2007 (and the poor start to 2008) than Jerry has left standing this year, and this team did ok even with Delgado and Reyes hurt, it wasn't until Beltran joined them that the team really blew up.

Pignatano is sloshed

="bmfc1":287r8cjk]Tim McGraw seems like a good guy. He has a charitable foundation in his father's name. Maybe he's on tour. (He's not on tour. Maybe Faith Hill is keeping him busy.)[/quote:287r8cjk] Tim & Tim were not on speaking terms for many years bmfc1 Aug 22 2009 05:56 PM Despite the way Tug treated Tim, when Tug was diagnosed w/brain cancer, Tim was there for him. He paid for his treatment and flew his family in when the end was near. Tug moved onto Tim's property so he didn't have to die in a hospital. I'm not a big fan of Tim's music, but I have great admiration for Tim, and his wife Faith Hill, for the way they treated Tug. seawolf17 Aug 22 2009 06:19 PM ="Fman99":1j9gs7gb]DId anyone ever give Joe Pignatano the nickname "Joe Pig"?[/quote:1j9gs7gb] I believe he was known as "J-Pig" in the parlance of the day. ="Fman99":1j9gs7gb]Yogi in a Mets jersey, the Steinbrenners are all somewhere pooing themselves.[/quote:1j9gs7gb] Probably why they Yankees gave up two touchdowns today. I'm pissed I missed this whole thing -- forgot to set the DVR. Ashie62 Aug 22 2009 06:28 PM I fucked up my recorder also..shit..well, SNY will show it often About Tug...Beloved Met for sure, but at a Met game at Jarry park in the dark ages he was nas-tee... The good part was pitchers warmed on the 1B lines and Seaver was starting (Sciatica year 1975 or 6) and a got a pitching coaches view of the warm-up. Kong76 Aug 22 2009 07:18 PM The game is/was worth recording too, the interviews are more interesting than the action on the field -- and Ralph in the middle of it. metirish Aug 22 2009 07:21 PM ="Kong76":36ol95xc]The game is/was worth recording too, the interviews are more interesting than the action on the field.[/quote:36ol95xc] Gentry was brilliant.... Cohen - " Gary is was great to talk to you and for you to be part of this great night" Gentry - " Ah guys it's great to meet you guys and shoot the shhhh , talk things up" hilatious Kong76 Aug 22 2009 07:36 PM That was Grote, but yeah I caught the shoot the shhh and laughed. metirish Aug 22 2009 07:43 PM Grote of course , nice chat with Garrett from KB Kong76 Aug 22 2009 07:46 PM Kevin interviews people well ... I hope he doesn't end up in another team's booth down the road any time soon. Our booth is kind of full. metirish Aug 22 2009 07:50 PM Kevin knows his Mets and it shows . Ron Taylor was a tough interview, he seemed a little lit up though. Ashie62 Aug 22 2009 08:23 PM ="metirish":12yrn8lo]Kevin knows his Mets and it shows . Ron Taylor was a tough interview, he seemed a little lit up though.[/quote:12yrn8lo] I think they all have been lit up ala Casey Stengal..just don't fall off Ron's seat A Boy Named Seo Aug 22 2009 10:53 PM If gfafif was in black jersey and blue cap, I think I might've spied him during the ceremony. G-Fafif Aug 23 2009 03:56 AM ="A Boy Named Seo"]If gfafif was in black jersey and blue cap, I think I might've spied him during the ceremony. That wasn't me, but I did wear a Mets tie Saturday. Great, great, great piece on Saturday night by my favorite (FAFIF company excluded) daily blogger here. metirish Aug 23 2009 08:58 AM ="G-Fafif"]="A Boy Named Seo"]If gfafif was in black jersey and blue cap, I think I might've spied him during the ceremony. That wasn't me, but I did wear a Mets tie Saturday. Great, great, great piece on Saturday night by my favorite (FAFIF company excluded) daily blogger here. Excellent read , on SNY Gary as soon as they cut to him mentioned that Boswell had been omitted . Not good obviously. Edgy DC Aug 23 2009 11:28 AM No shortage of cheap shots in the top half, though --- big contracts to injured players, Oliver Perez, Jeff Wilpon. Easy. Mark Healey Aug 24 2009 09:11 AM I went to the game for the specific reason of interviewing the 1969 guys. Spent a great 30-35 minutes with the group in a formal PC a few hours before the game...got the chance to chat with one or two afterwards, and was fully prepared to go home after watching the ceremonies. I wnr down to the field to watch the ceremonies, and never heard Ken Boswell's name. Went back up to the press box, asked around, confirmed he wasn't mentioned and went to work. "oversight", my ass. I wrote this story Saturday night: http://baseballdigest.com/featured/2009/history-lesson-needed-again/ Edgy DC Aug 24 2009 09:20 AM Mark's got a mysterious source close to Boswell. seawolf17 Aug 24 2009 09:43 AM I thought that story was a Ron Hunt story, not Boswell. But I might be getting my old second basemen confused. Mark Healey Aug 24 2009 09:58 AM ="Edgy DC":11y10te3]Mark's got a mysterious source close to Boswell.[/quote:11y10te3] Nah, just someone who preferred to remain anonymous Ashie62 Aug 24 2009 09:58 AM ="Edgy DC":enz20si3]Mark's got a mysterious source close to Boswell.[/quote:enz20si3] Wouldn't a Mets employed fact-checker be responsible for not omitting Boswell whether he planned to appear or not? Mark Healey Aug 24 2009 10:00 AM ="seawolf17":2l6csejw]I thought that story was a Ron Hunt story, not Boswell. But I might be getting my old second basemen confused.[/quote:2l6csejw] Hunt wanted Shea seats: http://www.newsday.com/sports/baseball/ex-met-hunt-gets-seats-courtesy-of-bayville-s-peluso-1.1235413 Mark Healey Aug 24 2009 10:01 AM ="Ashie62":yk1774wh]="Edgy DC":yk1774wh]Mark's got a mysterious source close to Boswell.[/quote:yk1774wh] Wouldn't a Mets employed fact-checker be responsible for not omitting Boswell whether he planned to appear or not?[/quote:yk1774wh] Maybe the Mets need a resident historian? Ya think? seawolf17 Aug 24 2009 10:23 AM ="Mark Healey":356tv05p]="seawolf17":356tv05p]I thought that story was a Ron Hunt story, not Boswell. But I might be getting my old second basemen confused.[/quote:356tv05p] Hunt wanted Shea seats: http://www.newsday.com/sports/baseball/ex-met-hunt-gets-seats-courtesy-of-bayville-s-peluso-1.1235413[/quote:356tv05p] Knew I hadn't completely lost my mind. Maybe they just hate old second basemen; someone get Roberto Alomar to call and ask for tickets. ="Mark Healey":356tv05p]Maybe the Mets need a resident historian? Ya think?[/quote:356tv05p] That made me laugh.

="metirish":3vqtjpz7]Maybe Redding gets inspired.[/quote:3vqtjpz7] Well...Gentry looked inspired, and a bit uh, well, gay LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Aug 22 2009 05:57 PM Redding looks so good through two, I momentarily thought I had beer goggles on. bmfc1 Aug 22 2009 06:01 PM I wonder how the SNY crew decides if Gary, Ron and/or Keith will wear a polo shirt, a jacket and tie, a jacket but no tie, or a dress shirt but no jacket or tie. Tonight's a polo shirt night. LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Aug 22 2009 06:05 PM Zut, Monsieur 'App! YOU'VE BEEN FRENCHED! LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Aug 22 2009 06:20 PM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Aug 22 2009 06:24 PM Redding tiptoes around two-out base occupants for a third time. Not sure... but I swear Ron was staring daggers at Ralph during the last half-inning. (Maybe because he's the one forced into standing?) Ashie62 Aug 22 2009 06:24 PM Pignatano is sloshed Ashie62 Aug 22 2009 06:25 PM ="LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr":10j6eusg]Not sure... but I swear Ron was staring daggers at Ralph during the last half-inning. (Maybe because he's the one forced into standing?)[/quote:10j6eusg] I think Ron was bored..lotta old men in the booth bmfc1 Aug 22 2009 06:25 PM Pignitano mentioned Fantasy Camp. Besides Joe, five others from tonight were at Camp when I was there: Kranepool, Gaspar, Swoboda, Dyer, McAndrew. Pignitano was very warm and friendly to us. LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Aug 22 2009 06:30 PM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Aug 22 2009 06:31 PM Rollins makes a sweet stop on a Castillo laser (you can't stop him, you can only hope to contain his bustin'-loose power), and the Mets catch a break on the "safe" call at first. Ashie62 Aug 22 2009 06:30 PM ="bmfc1":2qyrns0w]Pignitano mentioned Fantasy Camp. Besides Joe, five others from tonight were at Camp when I was there: Kranepool, Gaspar, Swoboda, Dyer, McAndrew. Pignitano was very warm and friendly to us.[/quote:2qyrns0w] He always struck me as friendly..I'm guessing Krane & Dyer were quiet, Swoboda a cut-up. Great you got to do that** Ashie62 Aug 22 2009 06:32 PM rollins still sucks LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Aug 22 2009 06:34 PM Sheffail. And there will be no Frenching in this course, mon amis. LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Aug 22 2009 06:37 PM ="Ashie62":1e5k71vq]="LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr":1e5k71vq]Not sure... but I swear Ron was staring daggers at Ralph during the last half-inning. (Maybe because he's the one forced into standing?)[/quote:1e5k71vq] I think Ron was bored..lotta old men in the booth[/quote:1e5k71vq] Koos gets a stool. Keith isn't giving up his seat for anyone. Ron, apparently, needs a better agent. Ashie62 Aug 22 2009 06:38 PM Kooz is sloshed also...Keith's stool? "I'm Keith Hernandez" bmfc1 Aug 22 2009 06:41 PM ="Ashie62":39hs72h4]="bmfc1":39hs72h4]Pignitano mentioned Fantasy Camp. Besides Joe, five others from tonight were at Camp when I was there: Kranepool, Gaspar, Swoboda, Dyer, McAndrew. Pignitano was very warm and friendly to us.[/quote:39hs72h4] He always struck me as friendly..I'm guessing Krane & Dyer were quiet, Swoboda a cut-up. Great you got to do that**[/quote:39hs72h4] Correct on all three counts. Kranepool was reserved but spoke with you if you approached him. Dyer didn't say much, even if you asked. Swoboda was having fun the whole time. LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Aug 22 2009 06:42 PM Catlike-- to be fair, more Garfield than Abyssinian-- agility from Redding on a grounder to end the top of the 4th. He's cruising with uncommon and uncharacteristic ease so far. Ashie62 Aug 22 2009 06:43 PM I'm not sure Duffy was a man of words ever.. I could see with these guys if you come to them respectfully they would give you a moment rather than the stink eye I swear Kooz was getting drunker as he spoke Ashie62 Aug 22 2009 06:44 PM ="LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr":82emr7ug]Catlike-- to be fair, more Garfield than Abyssinian-- agility from Redding on a grounder to end the top of the 4th. He's cruising with uncommon and uncharacteristic ease so far.[/quote:82emr7ug] More like Siamese...bred to protect the Buffalo herd..and 1969 night! LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Aug 22 2009 06:49 PM Murphy double and a Santos walk (!) and a Valdez groundout mean Mr. ChinPubes has a chance to help his own cause (TM). cooby Aug 22 2009 06:49 PM I was under the impression that Pedro was pitching tonight Ashie62 Aug 22 2009 06:52 PM ="cooby":yafnwg8v]I was under the impression that Pedro was pitching tonight[/quote:yafnwg8v] Tomorrow...Personally, I hope he gets booed LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Aug 22 2009 06:55 PM ="cooby"]I was under the impression that Pedro was pitching tonight Tomorrow, against... um... that guy with the eyes and two arms. Seriously, I must be drunk... Tim's looking great. (1 hit, 4 baserunners through 5.) bmfc1 Aug 22 2009 06:59 PM ="Ashie62":1vep5169]I could see with these guys if you come to them respectfully they would give you a moment rather than the stink eye [/quote:1vep5169] True, but there were exceptions, like Gaspar who came over to us to say hi, shoot the bull, and make sure we were having a good time. LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Aug 22 2009 07:02 PM Sheffield hits some great foul balls! LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Aug 22 2009 07:05 PM Um... 80 pitches through 5 innings, with 1 hit allowed. So... he's pulled for Misch? Really? metirish Aug 22 2009 07:09 PM Utley didn't misch that bmfc1 Aug 22 2009 07:17 PM Geez, Misch is so bad that he makes us miss Redding. That's tough to do. LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Aug 22 2009 07:19 PM Redding generally does well against the Phils... and he was cruising. And he'd thrown 81 pitches. (AND, if you're feeling a bit cynical... he's a FA after the year. If it's the pitch count that had him coming out... then why the f*ck is he on a hard pitch count?) Edgy DC Aug 22 2009 07:42 PM ="LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr":21wp7597]Um... 80 pitches through 5 innings, with 1 hit allowed. So... he's pulled for Misch? Really?[/quote:21wp7597] It's loony, isn't it? What's the matter with people? LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Aug 22 2009 07:42 PM Edited 2 time(s), most recently on Aug 22 2009 07:47 PM Only in 2009 Flushing moment # 739: Anderson Hernandez... pinch-hitter. seawolf17 Aug 22 2009 07:46 PM I tell you, nothing celebrates former championships like handing current legends like Dave Williams and Tim Redding the ball to start. Edgy DC Aug 22 2009 07:49 PM Nothing celebrates the legacy of Gil Hodges like the manager pulling a cruiisng pitcher throwing his best game of the season after 81 pitches because of delusions that he's going to find the magic formula to a bulletproof bullpen. LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Aug 22 2009 07:53 PM ="Edgy DC":1wef5git]Nothing celebrates the legacy of Gil Hodges like the manager pulling a cruiisng pitcher throwing his best game of the season after 81 pitches because of delusions that he's going to find the magic formula to a bulletproof bullpen.[/quote:1wef5git] There may have been other managers I've disliked more. But I don't think there's been a single Met skipper who's turned my language as dirty as our own Gangsta-in-Chief. metirish Aug 22 2009 07:56 PM Cohen mentioned a pitch count when he was setting the game up, still as noted he was cruising and a win tonight would have capped a nice night. Edgy DC Aug 22 2009 08:02 PM ="LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr":111wknnb]="Edgy DC":111wknnb]Nothing celebrates the legacy of Gil Hodges like the manager pulling a cruiisng pitcher throwing his best game of the season after 81 pitches because of delusions that he's going to find the magic formula to a bulletproof bullpen.[/quote:111wknnb] There may have been other managers I've disliked more. But I don't think there's been a single Met skipper who's turned my language as dirty as our own Gangsta-in-Chief.[/quote:111wknnb] I demand the chance to manage this team. Demand it. LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Aug 22 2009 08:12 PM ="Edgy DC"]="LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr"]="Edgy DC"]Nothing celebrates the legacy of Gil Hodges like the manager pulling a cruiisng pitcher throwing his best game of the season after 81 pitches because of delusions that he's going to find the magic formula to a bulletproof bullpen. There may have been other managers I've disliked more. But I don't think there's been a single Met skipper who's turned my language as dirty as our own Gangsta-in-Chief. I demand the chance to manage this team. Demand it. Ashie62 Aug 22 2009 08:21 PM I don't remember much bitching about the Ryan deal, not even from Dick Young or the Otis trade Fregosi sucked and Foy was a drug addict Nymr83 Aug 23 2009 12:28 AM I was out playing poker tonight so i missed the game, looking at the box score i need to ask: why was Redding pulled after only 5 solid innings and 80 pitches? Nymr83 Aug 23 2009 12:32 AM ="Edgy DC":vfttmgxl]="LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr":vfttmgxl]="Edgy DC":vfttmgxl]Nothing celebrates the legacy of Gil Hodges like the manager pulling a cruiisng pitcher throwing his best game of the season after 81 pitches because of delusions that he's going to find the magic formula to a bulletproof bullpen.[/quote:vfttmgxl] There may have been other managers I've disliked more. But I don't think there's been a single Met skipper who's turned my language as dirty as our own Gangsta-in-Chief.[/quote:vfttmgxl] I demand the chance to manage this team. Demand it.[/quote:vfttmgxl] I still liked both Howe and Randolph less, Randolph had alot more to work with in 2007 (and the poor start to 2008) than Jerry has left standing this year, and this team did ok even with Delgado and Reyes hurt, it wasn't until Beltran joined them that the team really blew up.

In response the 2009 Mets will lose 38 of their last 49

Tonights lineup 1B Krane 2B Pfeil 3B Garrett SS Buddy LF Cleon CF Gaspar RF Swoboda C Grote

Wow!! I feel OLD OK Seaver goes 2 Koos 2 Ryan 2 McAndrew & Gentry 1

Omir oh-my! Your 2009 ROY candidate

="metirish":1jui378j]I guess like Oliie he was prone to walking too much.... Gold Jerry.. walks will kill ya as they say[/quote:1jui378j] Edgy DC Aug 21 2009 02:29 PM ="Nymr83":2dfv4os6]the sub-headline to the journal-constitution article said he had ID on him[/quote:2dfv4os6] Did they change it? The subhead I've got says, "Braves star says man on Texas property believed to be illegal immigrant." Fman99 Aug 21 2009 08:32 PM I keep picture Chipper as the lead guy from "No Country for Old Men," finding all the dead drug deal guys laying around in the desert and taking their money. MFS62 Aug 21 2009 09:03 PM Wouldn't it be a bitch if that I.D. was a US passport? Or a visa of some type (work permit, student visa)? Later

="Edgy DC":2yw9zpea]That was a little Astacio-esque wasn't it? Perfectly cromulent first half and a crash-and-burn second half. That was pretty expectable, and, ideally, they'd be bringing a Niese or somebody along around the time he broke down. Instead he turned out to be the last guy standing. You look at the sunny and vibrant health of the '69 and '86 teams and you realize that the key to this whole thing is sometimes just staying out of the trainers' rooms. And who stays healthy but the broken down old guy.[/quote:2yw9zpea] With a lighter shade of Lima Valadius Aug 21 2009 03:23 PM He sucked. The end. Note: I'm too drunk right now to be terribly nuanced about it. PiggiesTomatoes Aug 21 2009 08:52 PM Watching him pitch and thinking, "No way he's 34 years old."

I'd rather they shipped F Rodriguez at this point. he has certainly, in my eyes, been underwhelming

="metirish":awuus1x2]Everyone wants a fucking extension .....[/quote:awuus1x2] Thats why "Enhanze" sells so well bmfc1 Aug 20 2009 07:51 PM Jon Heyman tweets that the Giants claimed Sheff but the Mets "pulled him back." Wouldn't any minor leaguer be better than the nothing they're going to get when his contract expires at the end of the season? Kong76 Aug 20 2009 07:56 PM bmfc: Jon Heyman tweets (sorry Kong) <<< I thought it was Joel Sherman? bmfc1 Aug 20 2009 07:57 PM ="Kong76"]bmfc: Jon Heyman tweets (sorry Kong) <<< I thought it was Joel Sherman? Accuracy is my motto! Sherman was re-tweeting Heyman: nyp_joelshermanstill don't understand y Mets didn't take Grade-C prospect back RT @SI_JonHeyman giants were team that claimed sheff b4 mets pulled back. Kong76 Aug 20 2009 08:05 PM Just wanna say the original, "sorry Kong" made me lol. I feel like a dinosaur sometimes. Frayed Knot Aug 20 2009 08:26 PM If all you're getting is some low-level minor leaguer with little promise I'd pull him back too. Those guys are findable under every rock. If you let him go you're looking at making this year's team even worse than it already is with little hope that you're doing anything for the future. Gwreck Aug 20 2009 09:05 PM The way I understand it, when a team claims the player, you either have to work out a deal within a set time period (48? 72? hours), or if you can't they get the player for the waiver fee ($20,000, I think), or you have to pull him back. Waiver claims can be risky because if the player is claimed, the team who waived him can refuse to work out a trade and just stick his contract on the claiming team (ie. Rios). But here the Giants have most of the leverage, given that Sheffield's contract costs nothing. dgwphotography Aug 21 2009 05:58 AM It was reported last night that it was the Marlins who claimed him, and that Sheffield would have been happy to go back, but the Mets couldn't agree on a deal. http://njmg.typepad.com/metsblog/2009/08/the-sheffield-saga.html Now Tim smith chimes in on the Mets holding Sheffield "hostage" - WTF? http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseball/mets/2009/08/21/2009-08-21_gary_sheffields_.html Frayed Knot Aug 21 2009 06:36 AM ]Now Tim smith chimes in on the Mets holding Sheffield "hostage" - WTF? Idiotic Smith: Since the Mets blocked him from moving to another team, Sheffield logically deduced that he was a part of the team's future plans. Logically? To make sure, he went in and asked the Mets Thursday to extend his contract. They refused, a clear indication that he's not part of the picture for 2010. And the hostage crisis began. Right, refusing to extend a contract in mid-season to a 40 y/o still is akin to being held hostage. I could parse this thing some more but it's not worth it. Suffice to say he uses the word "hostage" about six more times. Kong76 Aug 21 2009 06:43 AM Jeffie tweeted the ransom note about 5am for those who don't follow. Frayed Knot Aug 21 2009 07:04 AM Joel Sherman, on the other hand, seems to get it. "The Mets rejected his bizarre request for a contract extension. So Sheffield, according to sources, initially became verbally abusive, then demanded he be released or traded to the Marlins, then threatened to return home to Florida, and finally just pulled himself from the starting lineup. He struck out as a pinch-hitter in the eighth inning and then ignored reporters' interview attempts after the game." Not quite the innocent "victim" Smith portrays him to be. LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Aug 21 2009 09:20 AM If the Mets had only signed LaWanda Page at the break, we'd all be sitting in butter. Anyway, I know Smith had to file and all, but he should probably check out his colleague's blog: ]Let me weigh in with the obvious on Gary Sheffield: If you sign up to play for a team, and that team decides to keep you for the entire season, how exactly can you have any legitimate gripe? metirish Aug 21 2009 09:48 AM Is it a sign of the bad times with the downturn in the economy(how I hate that term) that the likes of Smith is covering baseball . From what I know of him he is a boxing guy. duan Aug 21 2009 10:05 AM if sheffield wants to have an extension at a modest raise to what the mets are paying him this year, I'd be all on for that. I wouldn't just double what we're paying him I'd treble it. And if he isn't happy with his 1.2 million well then maybe i'd go as high as 1.6. But I AIN'T paying him 10 million next year to be Moises Alou renewed contract part 2. Benjamin Grimm Aug 21 2009 10:09 AM And I'd bring him back with a role matching the expectations that were had for him in 2009; a pinch-hitter, fourth/fifth outfielder. Not as a starting regular left fielder. Nymr83 Aug 21 2009 10:53 AM ]Is it a sign of the bad times with the downturn in the economy(how I hate that term) that the likes of Smith is covering baseball . From what I know of him he is a boxing guy. Tim Smith is already figuring out how to look like a NYC baseball writer though, he already knows to blame the Mets for everything even when its somebody else (Sheffield) being the douchebag. All he needs to do now is add a paragraph about how "this would never happen with the Yankees" Frayed Knot Aug 21 2009 12:54 PM Very little is worse than non-baseball writers (talking heads, "opinion makers", etc.) opining about baseball. They either seem to hate the sport and rail against whatever attention it gets (and takes away from football) or simply don't know it very well but feel obligated to sound off anyway. I recently stumbled across some televised round-table chat-fest not long after Randy Johnson's 300th win. When the topic turned to whether there'd ever be another one of the heads started squawking about how it would never happen because there's too much money in the game now and so today's players all retire early because they're too rich to care. That opinion is obviously so stupid and so wrong that it's not even worth debating, but boy whoever this guy was he was very loud and very sure about what he was saying. Valadius Aug 21 2009 03:34 PM If he wants to go, let him freaking go. It's not like this team is actually going anywhere this year anyway. metsmarathon Aug 21 2009 08:28 PM if we offer him arbitration, the lower limit on that is based on the contract he's signed with the mets, right, and not what he's still making from teh tiggers? Frayed Knot Aug 21 2009 09:03 PM ="metsmarathon":23bdu89e]if we offer him arbitration, the lower limit on that is based on the contract he's signed with the mets, right, and not what he's still making from teh tiggers?[/quote:23bdu89e] No, he'd have to be offered 80% of his current per/year amount, not just the NYM portion of it. There's no reason to offer Sheffield arbitration. If you want to keep him next year you simply need to negotiate a deal. LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Aug 21 2009 09:47 PM ="Frayed Knot"]="metsmarathon"]if we offer him arbitration, the lower limit on that is based on the contract he's signed with the mets, right, and not what he's still making from teh tiggers? No, he'd have to be offered 80% of his current per/year amount, not just the NYM portion of it. There's no reason to offer Sheffield arbitration. If you want to keep him next year you simply need to negotiate a deal. He wouldn't have to be offered 80% of his current per annum, since he's a free agent. The salary floor only applies to those under team control. It's another reason the arb offer for Country Time makes sense. Frayed Knot Aug 21 2009 09:52 PM But offering him arb (and him accepting it) would prevent him from ever getting to the FA stage and that's what you want to avoid here! Once he declares for FA he's not under your control anymore so arb doesn't enter into it. I have no problem negotiating a separate deal w/Sheff if he's willing to be reasonable but it can't be at anywhere near what he was making in the final year of the Detroit contract. PiggiesTomatoes Aug 21 2009 10:03 PM Wouldn't touch him with a pole. Like Tatis last year, I appreciate his contribution during this mess of a season but I wouldn't bring him back. metsmarathon Aug 22 2009 06:48 AM ="Frayed Knot":2g03z1lv]="metsmarathon":2g03z1lv]if we offer him arbitration, the lower limit on that is based on the contract he's signed with the mets, right, and not what he's still making from teh tiggers?[/quote:2g03z1lv] No, he'd have to be offered 80% of his current per/year amount, not just the NYM portion of it. There's no reason to offer Sheffield arbitration. If you want to keep him next year you simply need to negotiate a deal.[/quote:2g03z1lv] well, if that's the case, then surely i wouldn't think of offering him arbitration. if the 80% rule was based off his current contract (what he signed with NYM after being released from DET), then i would consider offering him arbitration. i guess then there's the risk of what he could actually make if it ever reached arbitration, but i would figure he'd surely refuse it. really im just trying to make sense of why the mets would want to keep him around this season. if they don't bring him back next year or offer him arbitration, tehn they lose him for nothing. which is the same thing as if they lose him through waivers. so maybe they're planning on keeping him around for the Class B draft pick compensation LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Aug 22 2009 03:35 PM Considering that he's in the group with the gaudiest stat pool (1B/OF/DH), I'm pretty sure that Sheff won't anywhere near Type B (20-40 percentile) on the Elias ratings. I think it's as simple as (A) their not loving the claimant's prospect offer/the claimant not really making a serious offer and ( their wanting to remain "respectable" for the remainder of the season. (Yeah, I don't really get it, either.) EDIT: Just checked the MLBTR-linked Elias projections[/url:114fboc1] (painstakingly calculated/assembled by a guy from Detroit Tigers Thoughts after he reverse-engineered last year's rankings), and they've got Sheffield as a borderline type-B among NL 1B/OF. My surprise... and my bad. Ashie62 Aug 22 2009 06:41 PM I don't see Sheff has any future with the Mets beyond this year. Wouldn't it be easiest to trade him or let him go?? might lose a draft pick, but Sheff did well..cut the old man a break, and loose Edgy DC Aug 22 2009 07:51 PM Do we know that the claiming team (reportedly the Giants) made any offer at all? If not, they may well have claimed him just to block another team from getting him. Ashie62 Aug 22 2009 08:25 PM ="Edgy DC":30mcayco]Do we know that the claiming team (reportedly the Giants) made any offer at all? If not, they may well have claimed him just to block another team from getting him.[/quote:30mcayco] Could very well be the case. It seems kind of petty to hold him up smg58 Aug 22 2009 10:29 PM Why didn't we just trade Sheffield at the deadline? If the commish OKed the Peavy deal, he'd have approved a deal involving somebody who was coming off the DL on August 1.

Well...we got a nice round of guessing 1960's TV voiceovers from the booth A Seaver sighting A Wagner sighting An audible lets go MFY chant and a Citified Travelouge for a few innings No casualties in this 1 of 81 at home

Cheer Up..Vaccaro & airbrushed photo..He is 350 lb minimum and a stutterer Mike: Fat, slow & Stupid is no way to go through life

If Sheffield was claimed and pulled, and not traded, I'd probably be pissed also

="Edgy DC":1goqpz4b]I'm just glad this is a disaster I already knew about. I thought a bus had crashed or something.[/quote:1goqpz4b] Nah, the wheels have fallen off thats all.. Now if we could do something about the MFY plane...hmmm.. John Cougar Lunchbucket Aug 20 2009 09:02 AM Seriously though wtf is up with Redding? His awfulness -- along with Schneider's -- might be the story of the Mets' difficulty to contend this year were it not for a hundred other disasters. He's been one of the worst offseason additions the Mets have made in years, and he's getting very little credit for it. Edgy DC Aug 20 2009 09:22 AM Yabbut, if a dozen other injuries hadn't hap'd, Redding would be released or in Buffalo. By now, I imagine, they're thinking "What's the use? What's the use?" a la Big Al, and letting him take beatings for the the rest of the staff. MFS62 Aug 20 2009 09:42 AM This entire year has been a disaster of Biblical proportions. Injuries have been the eleventh plague. And the DL has been the journal listing the victims. Later LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Aug 20 2009 09:57 AM ="Edgy DC":1rnkm16z]I'm just glad this is a disaster I already knew about. I thought a bus had crashed or something.[/quote:1rnkm16z] Glad I'm not the only one. (I was thinking clubhouse ceiling collapse.) Redding did pick a good time in which to suck discreetly.

I'm thinking of the scene in "Bowfinger" where Eddie Murphy can't stop exposing himself to the Laker girls. Bouchee was lucky to live in a non-cyber generation.