ashie62

My memory of Wagner is belowing Pedros 3 run lead against the MFY'S in midsummer in 06 I beleive. I was there and didn't smile til our group got to Virgil's

I am going on a Rubin piece a few days ago that suggested the 30 Million coming off payroll may not be reinvested in salary. From a pure business point of view I would imagine the Franchise will turn a loss dollar wise..possibly a very large one. Lotta holes to fill..If Omar comes back, and I believe he will it will take some true creativity over the winter because you really don't know where Reyes, Beltran, and Santana will be come March. Having said that I would like Crawford and move Beltran to left and pick up the option on Frenchie. The Rays have to pick up Crawfords option at a relative bargain of 10 million or work something out on him

If the 30 million dollars coming off payroll is not going to be used on salaries would this mean payroll would be around 100 million? Making this list much smaller I don't know how the Mets will evaluate what they need this off season as so many injuries may not be resolved, good or bad, til spring.

="Valadius":6b00s1ty]It feels odd now to be able to follow a Mets game in actual time, rather than six hours ahead.[/quote:6b00s1ty] Welcome home Omar! Swan Swan H Aug 25 2009 05:58 PM The rout is on! Well, they got one run, anyway, on a Frenchy double (well hit but misplayed) and a Tatis single. Murphy (line out) and Santos (single) also hit the ball hard, and Andy Handy is up, 2 on and 2 out. Valadius Aug 25 2009 06:03 PM This season has gotten so bad that when I saw that the Mets scored a run, my first reaction was merely, "Oh." Edgy DC Aug 25 2009 06:55 PM In Scranton/Wilkes-Barre (wherever they play their home games), a seventh-inning RBI single by Josh Peterson has put the Bisons on top of the Yankees 1-0. Jesus Feliciano is 3-4 and has his average up to .307. Edgy DC Aug 25 2009 07:19 PM Hey, Sheffie is out with a back cramp. In SWB, Chris Mason has yielded, after seven shutout innings, to Adam Bostick and Jim Ed Warden (who the f...?) who pitch a scoreless eighth. We're in the ninth. Edgy DC Aug 25 2009 07:22 PM Consecutive Gameday updates: New York Mets left fielder Gary Sheffield left the game due to an injured back. Florida Marlins catcher John Baker left the game due to an injured back.Dog days, baby. seawolf17 Aug 25 2009 07:25 PM ="Edgy DC":3qof53ni]Consecutive Gameday updates: New York Mets left fielder Gary Sheffield left the game due to an injured back. Florida Marlins catcher John Baker left the game due to an injured back.Dog days, baby.[/quote:3qof53ni] Sheffield was coming hard around third, and then tried to score backwards, and Baker tried to block the plate backwards as a counterattack, and, well, you know. Then Fernando Tatis was struck by lightning. Edgy DC Aug 25 2009 07:25 PM Three-run rally capped by an Argenis Reyes RBI double. Four-zip, kids! Edgy DC Aug 25 2009 07:46 PM Warden gets the save and it's a shoutout for the Buffs. Mets meanwhile get through the bottom of the eighth and look for a win with the league's least powerful team in the league's most power-absobing ballpark. And it's raining. Let's go, Mets! Fman99 Aug 25 2009 07:52 PM Sad ass night at the plate. Rinse, repeat. seawolf17 Aug 25 2009 08:02 PM I just want this season to go away. Fman99 Aug 25 2009 08:05 PM ="seawolf17":3tmbu096]I just want this season to go away.[/quote:3tmbu096] I understand, the only thing left to play for is because the games are on the schedule. I don't want to hear "spoiler" crap. I try to take each game as an entity unto itself. Try to enjoy them as a single night, in summer, a game's on, Mets are playing, let's see if they can make a game of it. The kind of thing I'll be pining for in January. But they're so god damned bad at the dish. seawolf17 Aug 25 2009 08:38 PM ="Fman99":2o6fu428]="seawolf17":2o6fu428]I just want this season to go away.[/quote:2o6fu428] I understand, the only thing left to play for is because the games are on the schedule. I don't want to hear "spoiler" crap. I try to take each game as an entity unto itself. Try to enjoy them as a single night, in summer, a game's on, Mets are playing, let's see if they can make a game of it. The kind of thing I'll be pining for in January. But they're so god damned bad at the dish.[/quote:2o6fu428] Except that there's literally nobody left on this team that I care about. At all. I should tune in to see Anderson Hernandez and Fernando Tatis? Bleh. Valadius Aug 25 2009 08:56 PM Let's just play the kids and go home. LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Aug 26 2009 12:12 AM ="seawolf17":1t9v1igd]="Fman99":1t9v1igd]="seawolf17":1t9v1igd]I just want this season to go away.[/quote:1t9v1igd] I understand, the only thing left to play for is because the games are on the schedule. I don't want to hear "spoiler" crap. I try to take each game as an entity unto itself. Try to enjoy them as a single night, in summer, a game's on, Mets are playing, let's see if they can make a game of it. The kind of thing I'll be pining for in January. But they're so god damned bad at the dish.[/quote:1t9v1igd] Except that there's literally nobody left on this team that I care about. At all. I should tune in to see Anderson Hernandez and Fernando Tatis? Bleh.[/quote:1t9v1igd] To see if Francoeur and/or Santos can put up OBPs over .300 for the year? Failing that, there's always the mordant humor-- now that Johan's gone, I'm done feeling bad-- in seeing who'll go down next. Think of it as an orange-and-blue Summerstock edition of "Final Destination."

Time to hire Dr. Nick from the Simpsons You all need a rahdical appendectomy!

Wagner believes he will "remain a Mets" per CBS & Rotoworld

Pagan 2.5 Castillo 2.5 Murphy 1 Sullivan 0.5 A. Hernandez 0.5 Misch 2.5 Dessens 0.5

Pagan 0.5 Sheffield 0.5 Tatis 0.5 A. Hernandez 0.5 Wagner 0.5 Feliciano 0.5 Dessens 0.5 Stokes 0.5

Rotoworld has Santana out next start per Manuel's press conference and seeing the Dr. "tuesday"

OK, weirder..Verizon's homepage has Wagner demanding Mets decline 2010 option before approving trade to Red Sox He wants to sign with the Fucksox at a lower rate next season I assume Omar..do not accomodate him unless Boston coughs up Lars Anderson

OK, Wagner wants Mets to decline 2010 option before approving trade to Red Sox Better be a helluva package or Billy gofuckyoursel fugly

I'm kinda upset that Rubin is reporting that Minaya is being kept largely to keep costs down..Too expensive too rebuid the front office. If I read right the roughly $30 Million coming off payroll will not be replaced with contracts. Are the Wilpons just "gullible" people that put too much faith & trust in employees and business associates? To me, the increasing hole in the wallet suggests so.

="Edgy DC":enz20si3]Mark's got a mysterious source close to Boswell.[/quote:enz20si3] Wouldn't a Mets employed fact-checker be responsible for not omitting Boswell whether he planned to appear or not? Mark Healey Aug 24 2009 10:00 AM ="seawolf17":2l6csejw]I thought that story was a Ron Hunt story, not Boswell. But I might be getting my old second basemen confused.[/quote:2l6csejw] Hunt wanted Shea seats: http://www.newsday.com/sports/baseball/ex-met-hunt-gets-seats-courtesy-of-bayville-s-peluso-1.1235413 Mark Healey Aug 24 2009 10:01 AM ="Ashie62":yk1774wh]="Edgy DC":yk1774wh]Mark's got a mysterious source close to Boswell.[/quote:yk1774wh] Wouldn't a Mets employed fact-checker be responsible for not omitting Boswell whether he planned to appear or not?[/quote:yk1774wh] Maybe the Mets need a resident historian? Ya think? seawolf17 Aug 24 2009 10:23 AM ="Mark Healey":356tv05p]="seawolf17":356tv05p]I thought that story was a Ron Hunt story, not Boswell. But I might be getting my old second basemen confused.[/quote:356tv05p] Hunt wanted Shea seats: http://www.newsday.com/sports/baseball/ex-met-hunt-gets-seats-courtesy-of-bayville-s-peluso-1.1235413[/quote:356tv05p] Knew I hadn't completely lost my mind. Maybe they just hate old second basemen; someone get Roberto Alomar to call and ask for tickets. ="Mark Healey":356tv05p]Maybe the Mets need a resident historian? Ya think?[/quote:356tv05p] That made me laugh.

="bmfc1":1s01huou]What was the point of putting the runners in motion? If Jerry doesn't, that's a single and the bases are loaded w/none out. If they're down by one, OK but two? No, especially when the trail runner, the important runner because he's the tying run, is slow. Classic over-managing by Jerry.[/quote:1s01huou] You betcha!! where's Earl Weaver? Kong76 Aug 23 2009 02:41 PM A62: where's Earl Weaver <<< Poor choice, the guy who lived by the the three run homer. Fman99 Aug 23 2009 02:42 PM I couldn't even post anything when it happened. Just shut the laptop off and walked away. Methead Aug 23 2009 02:44 PM ="Kong76":243j8yoi]that may the first one to end a game.[/quote:243j8yoi] Pretty sure you're right. bmfc1 Aug 23 2009 02:48 PM Second time in history. Jayson Stark is so happy, he tweeted over and over. http://www.retrosheet.org/boxesetc/1927/B05310DET1927.htm bmfc1 Aug 23 2009 02:50 PM I can't believe that Jerry wasn't asked about sending the runners. Maybe he was and FAN didn't play it. LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Aug 23 2009 03:07 PM ="bmfc1"]What was the point of putting the runners in motion? If Jerry doesn't, that's a single and the bases are loaded w/none out. If they're down by one, OK but two? No, especially when the trail runner, the important runner because he's the tying run, is slow. Classic over-managing by Jerry. You're fucking kidding me. I can't fucking believe that he would try and fucking do that. Next, you'll fucking tell me that Angel Hernandez tried to insert himself into a fucking ballgame. Imfuckingpossible. Fuck. (Watching Manuel is KILLING my vocabulary.) LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Aug 23 2009 03:08 PM ="Methead":1pephxo0]="Kong76":1pephxo0]that may the first one to end a game.[/quote:1pephxo0] Pretty sure you're right.[/quote:1pephxo0] STATS says it's the second. May 31, 1927 was the other time (Johnny Neun, liner-step-tag for Detroit, preserving a 1-0 win over Cleveland). G-Fafif Aug 23 2009 04:57 PM I thought it was pretty incredible that I went to a game and saw two three-run homers in the top of the first, a starter pulled with a 3-0 count to the opposing pitcher after 45 pitches, a leadoff inside-the-park homer in the bottom of the first, a triple follow that, a poor-hitting pitcher drive in a run, the inside-the-park homer-hitter hit a homer outside the park and the return of an icon to face his old club. Also, Pat Misch in the middle innings giving up nothing was pretty special. Apparently, prior to the ninth, I hadn't seen nothing yet. In related news, I learned from those sitting around me that the Beach Boys of Mike Love were a lock to sing the National Anthem (they didn't); that Carlos Delgado has an option for next year (he doesn't); that Billy Wagner couldn't be used because once you're claimed on waivers you're ineligible (no such rule exists); and that Wagner, warming up in the bullpen wears No. 34 (Wagner wears 13; Mike Pelfrey wears 34; the pitcher warming up was No. 64, Elmer Dessens). Nymr83 Aug 23 2009 05:02 PM ]and that Wagner, warming up in the bullpen wears No. 34 (Wagner wears 13; Mike Pelfrey wears 34; the pitcher warming up was No. 64, Elmer Dessens). CBS gamecast actually had Wagner warming up at some point in the 8th, whether that was a mistake or not i dont know G-Fafif Aug 23 2009 05:03 PM ="Nymr83"]]and that Wagner, warming up in the bullpen wears No. 34 (Wagner wears 13; Mike Pelfrey wears 34; the pitcher warming up was No. 64, Elmer Dessens). CBS gamecast actually had Wagner warming up at some point in the 8th, whether that was a mistake or not i dont know Wagner did warm up, but it was after the dissertation from the scholars in the row behind me. LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Aug 23 2009 05:07 PM ="G-Fafif":3usy497h]I thought it was pretty incredible that I went to a game and saw two three-run homers in the top of the first, a starter pulled with a 3-0 count to the opposing pitcher after 45 pitches, a leadoff inside-the-park homer in the bottom of the first, a triple follow that, a poor-hitting pitcher drive in a run, the inside-the-park homer-hitter hit a homer outside the park and the return of an icon to face his old club. Also, Pat Misch in the middle innings giving up nothing was pretty special. Apparently, prior to the ninth, I hadn't seen nothing yet. In related news, I learned from those sitting around me that the Beach Boys of Mike Love were a lock to sing the National Anthem (they didn't); that Carlos Delgado has an option for next year (he doesn't); that Billy Wagner couldn't be used because once you're claimed on waivers you're ineligible (no such rule exists); and that Wagner, warming up in the bullpen wears No. 34 (Wagner wears 13; Mike Pelfrey wears 34; the pitcher warming up was No. 64, Elmer Dessens).[/quote:3usy497h] What's your threshold for factual corrections? Is said threshold more dependent on the egregiousness of the error, or is it based more on the scholar's/s' volume? Nymr83 Aug 23 2009 05:09 PM you get alot of that, at weekend day games especially. i've found the people sitting around me to be much smarter on freezing cold or rainy weeknights in April. i guess theres something about the early start and the heat that attracts the morons who would never show up to watch a game in the cold after work on a thursday G-Fafif Aug 23 2009 05:16 PM ="Nymr83":1ir3j8vb]you get alot of that, at weekend day games especially. i've found the people sitting around me to be much smarter on freezing cold or rainy weeknights in April. i guess theres something about the early start and the heat that attracts the morons who would never show up to watch a game in the cold after work on a thursday[/quote:1ir3j8vb] Of course when the morons who would never show up to watch a game in the cold after work on a Thursday are warm in their homes, they may divine a sense of intellectual superiority over those of us shivering at the ballpark despite our working knowledge of rosters and rules. bmfc1 Aug 23 2009 05:16 PM Here's something else for this bizarre baseball day: a Mets minor leaguer threw a no-hitter! http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?sid=milb&t=g_box&gid=2009_08_23_broasx_abeasx_1 G-Fafif Aug 23 2009 05:36 PM From Brandon Moore, no-hit whiz of Coney Island: ]"I love playing in Brooklyn. They say it's the closest you can get to playing in the big leagues without playing in the big leagues." And I thought that's what they said about the Mets.

UNBELIEVABLE...

I'm trying to think of the least painful way to get Ollie off the payroll short of crime, organized crime? maybe

="Kong76"]bmfc: Werth may come across as a cocky SOB but I wish he was a Met <<< I didn't say he was cocky, I said anyone who thought he wasn't going to .... Werth has been en fuego prior to this series Don't mind cocky by anybody when winning

Castillo 1 Pagan 1 Santos 1 Redding 2.5 Dessens 1

It makes sense to check Thole out as at the moment Santos looks like the 2010 starter. Evans..shit or get off the pot..release or trade Sheff and play Evans every day

="Edgy DC":30mcayco]Do we know that the claiming team (reportedly the Giants) made any offer at all? If not, they may well have claimed him just to block another team from getting him.[/quote:30mcayco] Could very well be the case. It seems kind of petty to hold him up smg58 Aug 22 2009 10:29 PM Why didn't we just trade Sheffield at the deadline? If the commish OKed the Peavy deal, he'd have approved a deal involving somebody who was coming off the DL on August 1.

="metirish":12yrn8lo]Kevin knows his Mets and it shows . Ron Taylor was a tough interview, he seemed a little lit up though.[/quote:12yrn8lo] I think they all have been lit up ala Casey Stengal..just don't fall off Ron's seat A Boy Named Seo Aug 22 2009 10:53 PM If gfafif was in black jersey and blue cap, I think I might've spied him during the ceremony. G-Fafif Aug 23 2009 03:56 AM ="A Boy Named Seo"]If gfafif was in black jersey and blue cap, I think I might've spied him during the ceremony. That wasn't me, but I did wear a Mets tie Saturday. Great, great, great piece on Saturday night by my favorite (FAFIF company excluded) daily blogger here. metirish Aug 23 2009 08:58 AM ="G-Fafif"]="A Boy Named Seo"]If gfafif was in black jersey and blue cap, I think I might've spied him during the ceremony. That wasn't me, but I did wear a Mets tie Saturday. Great, great, great piece on Saturday night by my favorite (FAFIF company excluded) daily blogger here. Excellent read , on SNY Gary as soon as they cut to him mentioned that Boswell had been omitted . Not good obviously. Edgy DC Aug 23 2009 11:28 AM No shortage of cheap shots in the top half, though --- big contracts to injured players, Oliver Perez, Jeff Wilpon. Easy. Mark Healey Aug 24 2009 09:11 AM I went to the game for the specific reason of interviewing the 1969 guys. Spent a great 30-35 minutes with the group in a formal PC a few hours before the game...got the chance to chat with one or two afterwards, and was fully prepared to go home after watching the ceremonies. I wnr down to the field to watch the ceremonies, and never heard Ken Boswell's name. Went back up to the press box, asked around, confirmed he wasn't mentioned and went to work. "oversight", my ass. I wrote this story Saturday night: http://baseballdigest.com/featured/2009/history-lesson-needed-again/ Edgy DC Aug 24 2009 09:20 AM Mark's got a mysterious source close to Boswell. seawolf17 Aug 24 2009 09:43 AM I thought that story was a Ron Hunt story, not Boswell. But I might be getting my old second basemen confused. Mark Healey Aug 24 2009 09:58 AM ="Edgy DC":11y10te3]Mark's got a mysterious source close to Boswell.[/quote:11y10te3] Nah, just someone who preferred to remain anonymous Ashie62 Aug 24 2009 09:58 AM ="Edgy DC":enz20si3]Mark's got a mysterious source close to Boswell.[/quote:enz20si3] Wouldn't a Mets employed fact-checker be responsible for not omitting Boswell whether he planned to appear or not? Mark Healey Aug 24 2009 10:00 AM ="seawolf17":2l6csejw]I thought that story was a Ron Hunt story, not Boswell. But I might be getting my old second basemen confused.[/quote:2l6csejw] Hunt wanted Shea seats: http://www.newsday.com/sports/baseball/ex-met-hunt-gets-seats-courtesy-of-bayville-s-peluso-1.1235413 Mark Healey Aug 24 2009 10:01 AM ="Ashie62":yk1774wh]="Edgy DC":yk1774wh]Mark's got a mysterious source close to Boswell.[/quote:yk1774wh] Wouldn't a Mets employed fact-checker be responsible for not omitting Boswell whether he planned to appear or not?[/quote:yk1774wh] Maybe the Mets need a resident historian? Ya think? seawolf17 Aug 24 2009 10:23 AM ="Mark Healey":356tv05p]="seawolf17":356tv05p]I thought that story was a Ron Hunt story, not Boswell. But I might be getting my old second basemen confused.[/quote:356tv05p] Hunt wanted Shea seats: http://www.newsday.com/sports/baseball/ex-met-hunt-gets-seats-courtesy-of-bayville-s-peluso-1.1235413[/quote:356tv05p] Knew I hadn't completely lost my mind. Maybe they just hate old second basemen; someone get Roberto Alomar to call and ask for tickets. ="Mark Healey":356tv05p]Maybe the Mets need a resident historian? Ya think?[/quote:356tv05p] That made me laugh.

I don't remember much bitching about the Ryan deal, not even from Dick Young or the Otis trade Fregosi sucked and Foy was a drug addict

="cooby":yafnwg8v]I was under the impression that Pedro was pitching tonight[/quote:yafnwg8v] Tomorrow...Personally, I hope he gets booed LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Aug 22 2009 06:55 PM ="cooby"]I was under the impression that Pedro was pitching tonight Tomorrow, against... um... that guy with the eyes and two arms. Seriously, I must be drunk... Tim's looking great. (1 hit, 4 baserunners through 5.) bmfc1 Aug 22 2009 06:59 PM ="Ashie62":1vep5169]I could see with these guys if you come to them respectfully they would give you a moment rather than the stink eye [/quote:1vep5169] True, but there were exceptions, like Gaspar who came over to us to say hi, shoot the bull, and make sure we were having a good time. LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Aug 22 2009 07:02 PM Sheffield hits some great foul balls! LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Aug 22 2009 07:05 PM Um... 80 pitches through 5 innings, with 1 hit allowed. So... he's pulled for Misch? Really? metirish Aug 22 2009 07:09 PM Utley didn't misch that bmfc1 Aug 22 2009 07:17 PM Geez, Misch is so bad that he makes us miss Redding. That's tough to do. LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Aug 22 2009 07:19 PM Redding generally does well against the Phils... and he was cruising. And he'd thrown 81 pitches. (AND, if you're feeling a bit cynical... he's a FA after the year. If it's the pitch count that had him coming out... then why the f*ck is he on a hard pitch count?) Edgy DC Aug 22 2009 07:42 PM ="LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr":21wp7597]Um... 80 pitches through 5 innings, with 1 hit allowed. So... he's pulled for Misch? Really?[/quote:21wp7597] It's loony, isn't it? What's the matter with people? LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Aug 22 2009 07:42 PM Edited 2 time(s), most recently on Aug 22 2009 07:47 PM Only in 2009 Flushing moment # 739: Anderson Hernandez... pinch-hitter. seawolf17 Aug 22 2009 07:46 PM I tell you, nothing celebrates former championships like handing current legends like Dave Williams and Tim Redding the ball to start. Edgy DC Aug 22 2009 07:49 PM Nothing celebrates the legacy of Gil Hodges like the manager pulling a cruiisng pitcher throwing his best game of the season after 81 pitches because of delusions that he's going to find the magic formula to a bulletproof bullpen. LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Aug 22 2009 07:53 PM ="Edgy DC":1wef5git]Nothing celebrates the legacy of Gil Hodges like the manager pulling a cruiisng pitcher throwing his best game of the season after 81 pitches because of delusions that he's going to find the magic formula to a bulletproof bullpen.[/quote:1wef5git] There may have been other managers I've disliked more. But I don't think there's been a single Met skipper who's turned my language as dirty as our own Gangsta-in-Chief. metirish Aug 22 2009 07:56 PM Cohen mentioned a pitch count when he was setting the game up, still as noted he was cruising and a win tonight would have capped a nice night. Edgy DC Aug 22 2009 08:02 PM ="LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr":111wknnb]="Edgy DC":111wknnb]Nothing celebrates the legacy of Gil Hodges like the manager pulling a cruiisng pitcher throwing his best game of the season after 81 pitches because of delusions that he's going to find the magic formula to a bulletproof bullpen.[/quote:111wknnb] There may have been other managers I've disliked more. But I don't think there's been a single Met skipper who's turned my language as dirty as our own Gangsta-in-Chief.[/quote:111wknnb] I demand the chance to manage this team. Demand it. LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Aug 22 2009 08:12 PM ="Edgy DC"]="LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr"]="Edgy DC"]Nothing celebrates the legacy of Gil Hodges like the manager pulling a cruiisng pitcher throwing his best game of the season after 81 pitches because of delusions that he's going to find the magic formula to a bulletproof bullpen. There may have been other managers I've disliked more. But I don't think there's been a single Met skipper who's turned my language as dirty as our own Gangsta-in-Chief. I demand the chance to manage this team. Demand it. Ashie62 Aug 22 2009 08:21 PM I don't remember much bitching about the Ryan deal, not even from Dick Young or the Otis trade Fregosi sucked and Foy was a drug addict Nymr83 Aug 23 2009 12:28 AM I was out playing poker tonight so i missed the game, looking at the box score i need to ask: why was Redding pulled after only 5 solid innings and 80 pitches? Nymr83 Aug 23 2009 12:32 AM ="Edgy DC":vfttmgxl]="LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr":vfttmgxl]="Edgy DC":vfttmgxl]Nothing celebrates the legacy of Gil Hodges like the manager pulling a cruiisng pitcher throwing his best game of the season after 81 pitches because of delusions that he's going to find the magic formula to a bulletproof bullpen.[/quote:vfttmgxl] There may have been other managers I've disliked more. But I don't think there's been a single Met skipper who's turned my language as dirty as our own Gangsta-in-Chief.[/quote:vfttmgxl] I demand the chance to manage this team. Demand it.[/quote:vfttmgxl] I still liked both Howe and Randolph less, Randolph had alot more to work with in 2007 (and the poor start to 2008) than Jerry has left standing this year, and this team did ok even with Delgado and Reyes hurt, it wasn't until Beltran joined them that the team really blew up.