Frayed Knot wrote: MS? Point being that the trustee is partially basing his suits on the idea that the ones who made out on the Madoff deals "should have known" that the return rates and success rates were too good to be true. But the same could be said for the folks who ultimately lost on the deal; after all, they were most likely seeing paper "profits" in the same range and presumably also not blowing a lot of whistles about it. Not that that makes the whole suit unworthy or anything. It's just a bit ironic to claim money from one set of folks on the basis that they should have known better in favor of clients who (assuming the first bunch weren't in cahoots) were pretty much in the same boat. The suit claims that financial firms such as JPM and MS suspected Madoff was fradulent and allowed him to trade through their desk. That is putting a firms interest ahead of a client. Any client, even those not trading with Madoff. ANY JPM customer. Simply put, If I purchase 100 shares of Apple for a customer my client has been harmed. Why, because by my firm doing any trading with a knowing fraud puts my customer at a disadvantage. Very, Very hard to prove..but, in JPM's case I suspect Jamie Diamond will cut a deal at somewhat less than 6 billion requested.