metsmarathon wrote: he's worth well in excess of 20 now (if you look at his $/WAR equivalent). the rub is will he be worth that towards the end of the deal. and i think that if he's put behind himself the nonsense that was 2009-11, and if he stays healthy, he'll likely have no trouble achieving that level of production for the duration. perhaps towards the end, he may not be a 4 WAR player, but i think he will be. granted, those $/WAR calculations always seem flawed to me. if you pay a guy $20M a year, you're probably expecting him to deliver far more than 4 WAR. you're expecting more like 6 WAR. and if you pay a guy close to $30M or even more, its a flat out disaster if he's not the MVP. [snicker arod snicker] WAR is not everything.