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="metirish":2xopm25u]Tuesday's at 8PM Ken Burns "Baseball" documentary will be shown. 1st Inning will air January 6th with subsequent Innings each Tuesday at 8PM. I have never watched the complete series so I'm looking forward to this.[/quote:2xopm25u] Thanks - I just set my TiVo. I love this channel entirely too much... John Cougar Lunchbucket Jan 09 2009 08:25 PM They have Lincecum in the studio now and they're going to do a demonstration of his motion later. Weird teeth and pretentious wearing on a knit cap indoors, but I do love to watch him throw. Kong76 Jan 10 2009 11:05 AM 'irish: Ken Burns "Baseball" documentary will be shown <<< Of course they are, I got the dvd box set for xmas. I really enjoyed it, I watched the whole thing and I'm in the middle of the early 1900's one again. I vaguely remember watching some of these ep- isodes on Channel 13 years ago but this was the best xmas present I've gotten in years. Frayed Knot Jan 10 2009 12:30 PM One thing about the series on MLBN unlike on the disc-set or the original PBS showing ... it's no longer commercial-free! So enjoy your discs. G-Fafif Jan 10 2009 02:00 PM Tonight at 8:00 Eastern: Game Seven of the 2006 NLCS. I hear it's a real barnburner until about the middle of the sixth. Then there's probably a football game on. John Cougar Lunchbucket Jan 11 2009 09:55 PM I just watched the 1990 Pirates score six runs in the 11th to rally and beat the Cubs 13-12. Go Bucs! Edgy DC Jan 12 2009 05:45 AM How does that Bonds kid look? G-Fafif Jan 12 2009 06:24 AM ="Edgy DC":2xoij6dh]How does that Bonds kid look?[/quote:2xoij6dh] He could use some bulking up. John Cougar Lunchbucket Jan 12 2009 07:39 AM ="Edgy DC":6t6j0ub5]How does that Bonds kid look?[/quote:6t6j0ub5] Whiffed in his first 4 ABs but had a key RBI single and scored the winning run in the 12th. I'll tell ya, he was skinny but had mad batspeed and really stung his one hit: line drive to right. When he came home with the winning run they mobbed him and his helmet came off -- that's where the difference was the starkest. By the way, I had no idea why they were showing this game, which was on a rainy April day in Pittsburgh. When Andre Dawson hit a grand slam in the top of the 12th, I thought that was why. Gwreck Jan 12 2009 08:47 AM ="John Cougar Lunchbucket":3sxv2q2s]By the way, I had no idea why they were showing this game, which was on a rainy April day in Pittsburgh. When Andre Dawson hit a grand slam in the top of the 12th, I thought that was why.[/quote:3sxv2q2s] Same thing here. Thanks for the recap. metirish Jan 13 2009 05:10 PM Bobby Valentine on the Hot Stove right now. metsmarathon Jan 13 2009 05:32 PM the camera work on that show is unnecessarily jumpy. metirish Jan 13 2009 05:36 PM I hate to hear a guy like Barry Larkin call John Smoltz "Smoltzie". G-Fafif Jan 13 2009 05:56 PM MLBN's "Seasons" show highlights 1986 Wednesday night at 8:00. 1986...good season. metirish Jan 14 2009 06:58 PM A good show , I didn't know that Bruce Hurst had been voted series MVP when everyone thought they were going to win game six and the WS . Frayed Knot Feb 04 2009 06:50 AM MLBN gets Bob Costas on board -- a logical choice that brings tiny Bob out of his baseball-less world (he'll still work for NBC) but still a good "get" for them. Will do p-b-p for some of their games as well as studio work - kicking off tomorrow with a one-hour Torre interview metirish Feb 04 2009 06:53 AM I have no memory of Costas doing p-b-p , has he been out of the picture that long , was he any good? Fman99 Feb 04 2009 06:54 AM ="Frayed Knot":2b44ozxk]MLBN gets Bob Costas on board -- a logical choice that brings tiny Bob out of his baseball-less world (he'll still work for NBC) but still a good "get" for them. Will do p-b-p for some of their games as well as studio work - kicking off tomorrow with a one-hour Torre interview[/quote:2b44ozxk] He's a pompous ass. Back to the shire with you, Costas. Frayed Knot Feb 04 2009 07:15 AM ="metirish":10z02g9u]I have no memory of Costas doing p-b-p , has he been out of the picture that long , was he any good?[/quote:10z02g9u] Back when NBC had the national package he was their main guy for years. As with most guys he's going to have his fans as well as his detractors (see FMan). But at least with Costas he's one of the few national sports voices who doesn't either look down at baseball with barely disguised contempt or ignore it until there's a negative story (steroids, contract disputes) to stomp on with both feet. IOW, rather than being a network grunt only doing baseball because some media giant is paying him big bucks and therefore feels obligated to give him something do during the summer, he actually likes and knows the game. Edgy DC Feb 04 2009 07:47 AM The guy has opinions, but he supports his positions with rational arguments, unlike "I'm Brockton T. Fuckin' Broadcaster, with thirty years in this business and a golden throat/All Star career background, so I know whereof I speak." Frayed Knot Feb 14 2009 06:18 AM An hour-long 1969 WS highlights show on today at 9:30 AM and again at 6:00 PM bmfc1 Feb 14 2009 08:42 AM Mr. Administrator, Can we please change the name of this thread to simply "MLB Network" as it is long since passed the preview stage? I appreciate this thread as my online TV Guide still doesn't include the program names for the channel. Thank you. Kong76 Feb 21 2009 12:12 PM Seaver's 300th win going to ninth inning NOW!!! at Yankee Stadium. Lindsey Freakin' Nelson in the booth! Frayed Knot Feb 24 2009 08:47 AM The name of the nightly show on MLBN has morphed from 'Hot Stove' to 'MLB Tonight' - something that sounds like thier way of acknowledging that games (even meaningless ones) are starting on a daily basis. And their nightly preview feature '30 Teams/30 Days' visits Port St. Lucie for their Mets run-down tonight (and likely repeated 7 or 8 times over the next few days). bmfc1 Feb 24 2009 09:34 AM It looks like the MLB Network will have 2 or 3 ST games each day, using a local feed. Friday's game will be on live, w/the SNY crew. metirish Mar 03 2009 01:15 PM I caught Sever on the other night , he was interviewed in Studio 42. At times it was painful to watch as the host tried to engage Seaver in some banter and getting curt responses in return. An ex pitcher whose name escapes me was also there and asked the usual questions about pitch counts that gets Seaver going , at times like that Seaver can be engaging . I was surprised that they got him out to Jersey for an interview. Frayed Knot Mar 03 2009 01:39 PM ]An ex pitcher whose name escapes me Joe McGrane - came up with the Cards in the late '80s/early '90s and I guy I thought was going to be real good, sort of a bigger, better Al Leiter-type. But his career never really panned out so he quickly turned his quotable personality and good looks into a broadcasting jobs almost immediately after he quit playing. apmorris Mar 03 2009 01:57 PM ="metirish":1gdycu5c]I caught Sever on the other night , he was interviewed in Studio 42. At times it was painful to watch as the host tried to engage Seaver in some banter and getting curt responses in return. An ex pitcher whose name escapes me was also there and asked the usual questions about pitch counts that gets Seaver going , at times like that Seaver can be engaging . I was surprised that they got him out to Jersey for an interview.[/quote:1gdycu5c] I thought he was pretty frank - especially concerning pitchers today and the overuse of set-up and closers. He did look a little uncomfortable. metirish Mar 03 2009 02:28 PM Uncomfortable yet confident enough to sport dark blue denim jeans with brown cowboy boots and a sleeveless zip up jacket thing.( wears similar sleeveless jackets a lot) metirish Mar 03 2009 04:33 PM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Mar 03 2009 06:20 PM video Seaver[/url:2rm6m0xe] themetfairy Mar 03 2009 05:55 PM Irish - that's an adorable picture, but it's not video. Nor is it Seaver. metirish Mar 03 2009 06:21 PM Thanks metfairy.... themetfairy Mar 03 2009 06:26 PM Ah - much better. Thanks Irish apmorris Mar 03 2009 07:18 PM I haven't seen Al Leiter, who's always good, on MLBN yet but I have seen most of the rest of the crew. Let me break it down for you. MLBN, The Best Damn On-Air Personalities Period! Matt Vasgersian Theater Major (like most ESPN Anchoroons), has all the smarminess of Costas and is easily a half inch taller. Harold Reynolds is feeling it. Free from all ass-grabbing accusations, cutting lose and taking over every panel they put him on. He's so comfortable up there. maybe he can start working getting off whatever meds he's taking. Hazel Mae has a great name if you're the Weather chick on WSTRPPR in Cincinnati. Too much lip gloss to be taken seriously, seriously. BTW, some of my best friends are Polynesian. Mitch Williams has a bad attitude, which is always a plus. Barry Larkin is a mannequin or Yul Brynner in Westworld resurrected. Jon Heyman Great to see Heyman has no real solid leads or news or opinions on TV also. Trenni Kusnierek Hope home girl is using sun block 180. Joe Magrane can trigger epilepsy episodes with his misplaced pregnant pauses. Sounds like a fully recovered stutterer. Has a great head of hair, which may or may not be his own. Dan Plesac Hey, remember Dan from the Brewers in the 90s? ... me either. The 80s?. Seems like a nice guy. Scored high on the Wonderlic. more later .... http://mlbnetwork.mlb.com/network/personalities/ John Cougar Lunchbucket Mar 03 2009 08:24 PM Vasgerian sounds like a treatment for that not-so-fresh feeling. Hazel Mae has nice pineapples. Gwreck Mar 03 2009 08:31 PM MLB Network is producing their own documentaries/features as well now: apparently there's one on the Young family (Dmitri and Delmon) and one on Josh Hamilton. Watched the Hamilton one (was ok, nothing special) except for the moment early on in the show when they're talking about Hamilton's various baseball skills and they mention his arm, and cut to a shot of him throwing out a runner at third. I mention I think we were there for the game...go quickly check the scorecard I kept, and yep, it was Hamilton throwing out Marco Scutaro, 9 to 5, top of the 6th inning on August 2nd of last year. All of this is mostly just a long way of saying that this channel is great and is my default "flip to" channel when whatever I'm watching goes to commercial, or is boring, or I can't find anything else to watch. John Cougar Lunchbucket Mar 03 2009 08:36 PM Yes, I'm liking it too. I'm gonna forget what channel espn was any day now. Fman99 Mar 04 2009 08:02 PM Just noticed that my cable provider has added the HD feed of MLB Network. Very happy about that. apmorris Mar 04 2009 08:07 PM ="John Cougar Lunchbucket":2yiupyby]Yes, I'm liking it too. I'm gonna forget what channel espn was any day now.[/quote:2yiupyby] Yes. I even went so far as to block ESPN. Don't need the hype machine no more. soupcan Mar 04 2009 08:17 PM Lost in the this thread is ap's excellent comedic analysis of the MLB Network on-air staff. You made me laugh anyway. Kong76 Mar 08 2009 11:08 AM Maybe it's a comment on my lack of a life, but that sound bite they play over and over and over and over for the 30 Clubs in 30 Days song is going to put me over the edge. Excellent show, they don't think the Mets will suck much either! Kong76 Mar 08 2009 12:09 PM F99: Just noticed that my cable provider has added the HD feed of MLB Network <<< Thanks for mentioning that, Cablevision snuck it onto channel 790 while I wasn't paying attention. Kong76 Mar 08 2009 01:10 PM Never mind HD, South Africa wouldn't look good in 3D Sensory Smellavision. themetfairy Mar 13 2009 06:02 PM Right now they're showing the MFY/BoSox game. Boston is up 7-1, and it's the NESN feed so we get to hear Jerry Remy's Bahston accent. Next to a Mets game, this is as good as it gets metirish Apr 07 2009 07:47 PM I hate the day after Opening Day but at least we have MLB Network. I've been watching their MLB Tonight 1st to 3rd show , love it. They pop back and forth between games , they just had a Milton Bradley AB against Wandy Rodriguez in a big spot in that game , two men on base. They showed the whole AB that ended with Matsui turning a sweet DP. themetfairy Apr 07 2009 07:54 PM Plus this is the free preview week for MLB Extra Innings, for out of market games. metirish Apr 08 2009 09:52 AM ="themetfairy":14hamc5h]Plus this is the free preview week for MLB Extra Innings, for out of market games.[/quote:14hamc5h] I was going through those too, Rob Dibble doing color for the Nats , he's as useless as tits on a bull. Watched some of the games featuring the Blue Jays at home and the Twins at home , I absolutely hate watching games on FieldTurf. John Cougar Lunchbucket Apr 08 2009 09:29 PM Vin Scully calling the Dodgers-Pods game, Padres wearing their fatigues. DocTee Apr 08 2009 09:31 PM ]Rob Dibble doing color for the Nats , he's as useless as tits on a bull. Quote of the year candidate right here. MFS62 Apr 09 2009 06:26 AM About how many games into the season do you think it will take for mlb network to realize that Bonds is no longer playing for SF, and therefore nobody cares about watching their games? Later Fman99 Apr 09 2009 06:28 AM ="MFS62":3q171fhs]About how many games into the season do you think it will take for mlb network to realize that Bonds is no longer playing for SF, and therefore nobody cares about watching their games? Later[/quote:3q171fhs] They actually have quite a few young talented hitters (Ishikawa, Sandoval, Lewis) a pretty solid rotation and a few live arms in their pen. They're missing a big bat though. themetfairy Apr 09 2009 06:39 AM ="John Cougar Lunchbucket":2znwpofn]Vin Scully calling the Dodgers-Pods game, Padres wearing their fatigues.[/quote:2znwpofn] I love listening to Scully call games. Centerfield Apr 09 2009 12:17 PM ="themetfairy":1dpmlfux]="John Cougar Lunchbucket":1dpmlfux]Vin Scully calling the Dodgers-Pods game, Padres wearing their fatigues.[/quote:1dpmlfux] I love listening to Scully call games.[/quote:1dpmlfux] Yup. ON EDIT: He's one of the handful of people who when I hear their voice makes me feel like a kid. Brent Musberger and Casey Kasem are some others. metirish Apr 24 2009 02:25 PM Nearly a month into the season and MLB Network is my default station. I love all the live look-ins to games , as soon as SNY goes to break I flip over to MLB. I don't watch Baseball Tonight anymore , no point really. HahnSolo Apr 24 2009 02:48 PM I agree, although none of the hosts/analysts have really grown on me. Larkin is about as bland as they come, and he seems to always be on. Harold Reynolds is OK. Frayed Knot Apr 24 2009 02:56 PM Neil Best in today's Newsday[/url:2aq3rzp9] on MLBN's nightly show. He does this every once in a while: goes the entire day (or a good portion of it) watching one sports-TV related thing just to see how sane he comes out on the other side. I know he's done the NFL draft (I'd shoot myself by hour 2) and once did MSG on a summer day not long after they lost the Mets and had nothing but the winter sports teams remaining. Lotsa informercials and cheesy in-house stuff IIRC. apmorris Apr 24 2009 09:21 PM I've had it on in the background since the season started. I agree about Larkin. The hosts for the most part are OK, this guy though has an acute case of Scott Van Peltism Edgy DC Apr 24 2009 09:45 PM Did you have to pick a wanking shot? G-Fafif May 06 2009 01:12 PM If you're outside the NYC area, you can watch Thursday night's game on MLBN, Bob Costas and Al Leiter at the mics. Blacked out here. Benjamin Grimm May 06 2009 01:17 PM I'm sure it will be blacked out in Philadelphia too. Since I don't have Comcast cable, I can't see most of the local Phillies broadcasts, except for the relatively few that are on the over-the-air channel. apmorris May 06 2009 01:31 PM MLBNetwork, The Best Damn On-Air Personalities Period! (part 3) Billy Ripken He got the job on his own merits, just like how he got his job with the Orioles. ps. Does MLBN know we have to look at him whens he talks? from G-Fafif May 06 2009 01:44 PM ="Benjamin Grimm":2rks6vvy]I'm sure it will be blacked out in Philadelphia too.[/quote:2rks6vvy] I suppose. It was hard enough to acknowledge there was a world outside of New York to remember another city might be involved. bmfc1 May 06 2009 05:07 PM Billy Ripken does a good job on MLBN, just as he does on XM Baseball. He is also a great teacher of the game at the Ripken Baseball Camp. Swan Swan H Jun 27 2009 10:48 AM Game 5 of the 1968 NLCS on NOW! It's the bottom of the 1st, and it's scheduled to run until 4:30, if you want to check in for the big finish.

I would be pretty pissed if he announced his retirement now, after Teixeira signed with the Yankees...

It didn't exactly work, since he was with the Mets in '85 and '87, and played with the Cardinals in '86. Quite the bad timing trifecta.

If I never hear the name Molina again, it won't be enough....

he he - Edgy put "ass" and "hole" in the subject... I would say that my most pressing concern is 2nd base - Castillo killed us in every possible way last year.

="Edgy DC"]That honor still belongs to the late Joe Pepitone. I'm think Phil here would give Joe a run for his money:

Come on - You gotta believe - Tug McGraw.

I don't think he was the same after Yadier Molina. It seemed to me he had problems getting hitters after the first 2 strikes... That being said, I wish him the best - I hope the change of scenery spurs onto the career we all thought he should have. By all accounts, a good guy who never ducked questions, especially after a bad loss.

I saw him play in a DH in New Britain. He just didn't strike me as being that impressive... The thing that did strike me was his resemblance to Larry Bird.

="metsguyinmichigan":1qa74opt]="Gwreck":1qa74opt]="Edgy DC":1qa74opt]While I agree, I have to say that, while the Yankees have the classickest looking uniform[/quote:1qa74opt] Detroit home whites?[/quote:1qa74opt] You're both kidding me, right? Mets home pinstripes with the blue cap. [/quote:1qa74opt] As long as they lose the orange button. seawolf17 Dec 10 2008 05:16 PM Who let StevieJeets steal Edgy's password? Edgy DC Dec 10 2008 09:33 PM Deserved, maybe, but I said "classickest," not "bestest." In my idyllic futureworld everyone wears Mets home pinnies.

="Frayed Knot":1jgkkakp]And, once again, ESPN makes one of its guys (Tim Kurkjian this time) look silly by airing a report by him where he says that the Sabathia thing if still up in the air while a crawl underneath cites Sherman/NYPost saying it's a done deal.[/quote:1jgkkakp] I thought I read an article somewhere saying that ESPN was working on changing its morning lineup, and working on providing live reports in the morning in order to prevent this. (Merged from Sabathia (Split from AP Hot Stove), 12/10/2008) metirish Dec 10 2008 07:43 AM I think that's what ESPN 360 is , actual live on the air stuff. (Merged from Sabathia (Split from AP Hot Stove), 12/10/2008) metirish Dec 10 2008 07:50 AM ="John Cougar Lunchbucket":37q964hb]Eh. He's fat.[/quote:37q964hb] I'd be worried about this fellas arm falling off , I wonder what weight he ill be by the end of the contract. (Merged from Sabathia (Split from AP Hot Stove), 12/10/2008) Benjamin Grimm Dec 10 2008 07:56 AM I'm just waiting for Hank to call him a "Fat Toad." (Merged from Sabathia (Split from AP Hot Stove), 12/10/2008) Vince Coleman Firecracker Dec 10 2008 07:59 AM If this deal is finalized, I think the Yanks just got a lot better in the short-term, but might be dealing with an albatross of a contract in a few years. CC is a big dude who has thrown a lot of innings as a young pitcher, and 23 million a year is a heavy millstone, even for the Steinbrennies, to carry if his production falls off. Last year, PECOTA gave him a 22% collapse rate and a 14% attrition rate. Those numbers will improve after last season is factored in, but they won't approach Santana's 15% collapse, 3% attrition rate. Last year, the Yanks reportedly refused to seriously enter the Santana bidding because of a commitment to pitching prospects. Going outside of the organization to sign Sabathia, while not a complete surrender of that commitment, is an admission they don't have the same faith in their prospects they had last year. As a result of this, they now have committed more money to a pitcher that's about equivalent in talent, a little younger and a lot riskier. I guess I'm really saying that I like Santana a lot more than Sabathia, and I'm soooo glad the Mets, rather than the MFYs, wound up with him. (Merged from Sabathia (Split from AP Hot Stove), 12/10/2008) metsguyinmichigan Dec 10 2008 08:00 AM I'm waiting for the outrage over the cap turned to the side and the over-sized jersey untucked. It's not "the Yankee Way." (Merged from Sabathia (Split from AP Hot Stove), 12/10/2008) DocTee Dec 10 2008 08:07 AM And once again, the MFYs steal the back pages from Omar, as Frankie gets but one day as headliner. Sigh. (Merged from Sabathia (Split from AP Hot Stove), 12/10/2008) Edgy DC Dec 10 2008 08:24 AM The Yankees can have all the back pages they want. (Merged from Sabathia (Split from AP Hot Stove), 12/10/2008) John Cougar Lunchbucket Dec 10 2008 08:26 AM Seems to me CC sabathia is way too fat to be stuffed into an AP thread. Give him his own! (Merged from Sabathia (Split from AP Hot Stove), 12/10/2008) Benjamin Grimm Dec 10 2008 08:34 AM Merged three CC threads. John Cougar Lunchbucket Dec 10 2008 08:45 AM Now we're talking. 23 mills a year for 7 years. That's a lot of burgers. Edgy DC Dec 10 2008 08:50 AM The back pages I expect to see: C.C. TAKE-A- BATH-ON-YA FAT TOAD II $23 MILLION FOR THIS?! TRAINING TABLE DISASTER!! SORTORIALLY CHALLENGED YANKS FIRE EQUIP MANAGER AFTER INABILITY TO FIT SABATHIA INTO UNIFORM COSTS HIM START Frayed Knot Dec 10 2008 09:15 AM I lke the fact that the Yanx had to go top their own offer which was already some $40mil above the next highest offer. Now it's $60mil above. Yanqui fans yesterday were pretty funny. Egged on by Francesa, who was ready to throw in the towel on CC, the minions were in full 'Fuck Him' mode, deciding that if he really wanted to pitch for them he'd have already grabbed the offer. And the reasoning was classic MFY: - we're the Yanquis, we shouldn't be chasing him, he should be chasing us!! - this proves that he's just another Randy Johnson, Kevin Brown, Ed Whitson, etc. who can't handle NYC - anyone who doesn't prefer to live in NY is wrong Edgy DC Dec 10 2008 09:21 AM Randy Johnson can't handle being a Yankee. He can only handle kicking their asses to the tune of 3-0, 1.04 and ending their championship run, perhaps forever. Centerfield Dec 10 2008 09:21 AM I figured he'd go there all along, but now that he's signed, that rotation is going to be pretty sick. Sabathia, Wang, Joba, and either AJ Burnett or Derek Lowe (from what I hear, they're not nearly done). It's a good thing they still have A-Rod, who doesn't have what it takes to win, or else they might be pretty dangerous next year. Frayed Knot Dec 10 2008 09:31 AM ="Iubitul"]I thought I read an article somewhere saying that ESPN was working on changing its morning lineup, and working on providing live reports in the morning in order to prevent this. I think they go to a live SportsCenter at 9AM or something but their early morning telecast is still basically the same stuff they've been running since late night. So when stuff happens at 3AM (KRod) or 4AM (CC) their reports are not wrong but sometimes in direct contradiction to the up-to-date crawl across the bottom of the screen and when the two sync-up it's pretty funny. P.S. ESPN's usual tactic after that is to get one of their own guys to confirm the story and thereafter present it as; "as reported by ESPN" -- like they were the source all along. Frayed Knot Dec 10 2008 09:50 AM Rumors of an opt-out partway through CC's deal?!? Edgy DC Dec 10 2008 10:02 AM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Dec 10 2008 10:46 AM Wow, the Yankees lose control if he stays healthy and there's still a market for him? Suckers. metsguyinmichigan Dec 10 2008 10:15 AM P.S. ESPN's usual tactic after that is to get one of their own guys to confirm the story and thereafter present it as; "as reported by ESPN" -- like they were the source all along. This is standard operating procedure for the television types out here. People I've talked to for a story tell me that TV people will call after a story has been in print and say, "Is everything in the paper correct?" and that's the only question they ask. Then, they use all the details from the story on the air and drop in the "as we told you at noon" or "We have learned..." or some other weasel phrase. We usually end up throwing things at the newsroom television. But back to Sabbathia. An over-worked West Coast guy with a weight problem does not seem like a good $23 mill a year investment for seven years. Meanwhile, the Santana deal keeps looking better and better and better and better... Centerfield Dec 10 2008 10:38 AM Sabathia won't exercise that opt-out clause if he truly wants to be a Yankee. And if he does, management won't take well to that. They will probably get really mad for at least three or four days before putting more money on the table. metirish Dec 10 2008 10:48 AM It was only yesterday I was reading that in his heart he didn't want the yankees. Benjamin Grimm Dec 10 2008 11:02 AM Well, his wallet seems to have been interested. metirish Dec 10 2008 11:09 AM ="Benjamin Grimm":3qswapjd]Well, his wallet seems to have been interested.[/quote:3qswapjd] Well yeah of course , I never thought he was going anywhere but the Bronx. Edgy DC Dec 10 2008 11:18 AM While I agree, I have to say that, while the Yankees have the classickest looking uniform, the Boston road grays look the best on fat guys. smg58 Dec 10 2008 11:20 AM ="Vince Coleman Firecracker":26rmr4vx]Last year, the Yanks reportedly refused to seriously enter the Santana bidding because of a commitment to pitching prospects. Going outside of the organization to sign Sabathia, while not a complete surrender of that commitment, is an admission they don't have the same faith in their prospects they had last year. As a result of this, they now have committed more money to a pitcher that's about equivalent in talent, a little younger and a lot riskier. I guess I'm really saying that I like Santana a lot more than Sabathia, and I'm soooo glad the Mets, rather than the MFYs, wound up with him.[/quote:26rmr4vx] Except that Sabathia was not the one who needed surgery immediately after last season. I don't think I'd have guaranteed CC a seventh year either, but don't assume Santana is a safer bet over the duration of their contracts. Edgy DC Dec 10 2008 11:25 AM Hey, just because Sabathia didn't have any surgery done, doesn't mean he couldn't have used some. Vince Coleman Firecracker Dec 10 2008 11:26 AM ="smg58":2ksav5fb]Except that Sabathia was not the one who needed surgery immediately after last season. I don't think I'd have guaranteed CC a seventh year either, but don't assume Santana is a safer bet over the duration of their contracts.[/quote:2ksav5fb] I absolutely assume Santana is a safer bet over the duration of their contracts, and I don't think I'm wrong in doing so. Does that mean he'll definitely out-perform Sabathia over their contracts respective durations? No, but if you had to pick which one will out-perform the other, which would you pick? Gwreck Dec 10 2008 11:41 AM ="Edgy DC":2vb3wfno]While I agree, I have to say that, while the Yankees have the classickest looking uniform[/quote:2vb3wfno] Detroit home whites? Edgy DC Dec 10 2008 11:56 AM They certainly can land some punches against the champ. metirish Dec 10 2008 11:57 AM ="Edgy DC":2bxdqcr5]Hey, just because Sabathia didn't have any surgery done, doesn't mean he couldn't have used some.[/quote:2bxdqcr5] You thinking gastric surgery for weight loss? Frayed Knot Dec 10 2008 12:01 PM Neither one (Santana or Sabathia) has had any significant injuries to date. CC is a year yonger but also has more mileage on his arm (about 200 IPs) due to Johan's Rule 5 history which kept him on the back of the bench for a while. CC signed thru 2015, Johan thru 2013 w/an option for 2014 -- meaning that if the option kicks in the contracts go through the same age. So any speculation about longevity and injury comes down to usage - Sabathia logging more innings more often and if one wants to draw a conclusion about body type. btw, that "In case I hate NY" opt-out clause for CC after 3 years/$69mil is apparently accurate metsguyinmichigan Dec 10 2008 02:52 PM ="Gwreck":d6umr4hw]="Edgy DC":d6umr4hw]While I agree, I have to say that, while the Yankees have the classickest looking uniform[/quote:d6umr4hw] Detroit home whites?[/quote:d6umr4hw] You're both kidding me, right? Mets home pinstripes with the blue cap. End of discussion, unless you want to point out that BOTH the aforementioned Yankee and Tigers uniforms, the logo on the cap is different than the one on the chest. In the Tigers' case, dramatically so! dgwphotography Dec 10 2008 04:28 PM ="metsguyinmichigan":1qa74opt]="Gwreck":1qa74opt]="Edgy DC":1qa74opt]While I agree, I have to say that, while the Yankees have the classickest looking uniform[/quote:1qa74opt] Detroit home whites?[/quote:1qa74opt] You're both kidding me, right? Mets home pinstripes with the blue cap. [/quote:1qa74opt] As long as they lose the orange button. seawolf17 Dec 10 2008 05:16 PM Who let StevieJeets steal Edgy's password? Edgy DC Dec 10 2008 09:33 PM Deserved, maybe, but I said "classickest," not "bestest." In my idyllic futureworld everyone wears Mets home pinnies.

="Frayed Knot":1qpdh00m]Meanwhile, it doesn't seem like the NYTimes has ever replaced Murray Chass's long-running Sunday baseball cloumn. Not that they've stopped covering baseball, but his league-wide column was always the one island of baseball refuge I could climb onto each Sunday no matter how deep in the winter or how thick the Super Bowl hype. Now, not only is it not there but there doesn't seem to be a replacement either.[/quote:1qpdh00m] Murray still writes a regular column here[/url:1qpdh00m] Frayed Knot Dec 07 2008 02:04 PM Yeah, I knew Chass was still working. It just suxx that the Times doesn't think it's important to run a weekly baseball column in their Sunday edition since they parted ways w/Chass. G-Fafif Dec 07 2008 08:01 PM Jack Curry has filled Chass' role, but now that you mention it, the weekly column doesn't seem to be a staple.

="soupcan"] Zvon - is it me, or does this look tone-mapped? It looks like it has that HDR glow to it...

="Rockin' Doc":s6sgsdk7]I think the Yankees are owned by Putzes.[/quote:s6sgsdk7] It is High! It is FAR! IT.... IS.... GONE!!!!!!!! John Cougar Lunchbucket Nov 28 2008 11:06 AM I got nothing against JJ Putz personally but I'd be surprised if stories like this aren't leaked so as to make free agents scared. DocTee Nov 28 2008 01:02 PM ]Not on the radar at all, it seems: Kerry Wood. I'm disappointed by the Mets' apparent lack of interest in any other than Fuentes or K-Rod. My preference is for Wood, or Arizona's Brandon Lyon (who'd come much, much cheaper than any of the aforementioned). Nymr83 Nov 28 2008 01:15 PM I don't want Wood, that injury history is way too scary. Gwreck Nov 28 2008 01:40 PM ="Edgy DC"] The M's take the theme-song thingie a little further than usual with him, playing a bit o' the song after each out. Ah-AH-a-ah-ah-a-AH-ah. Thun-Dah! Ah-AH-a-ah-ah-a-AH-ah. Thun-Dah! In fairness, the Mets were doing something similar, playing part of Enter Sandman after every Wagner K. Edgy DC Nov 28 2008 08:04 PM Well, to be honest, I'm about fed up to here with the concept of theme songs and I think it's time the Mets zagged no matter who they get. Frayed Knot Nov 29 2008 04:41 AM ="DocTee"]]Not on the radar at all, it seems: Kerry Wood. I'm disappointed by the Mets' apparent lack of interest in any other than Fuentes or K-Rod. My preference is for Wood, or Arizona's Brandon Lyon (who'd come much, much cheaper than any of the aforementioned). An article in today's NYTimes suggests just the opposite. Citing the always popular "people in baseball with knowledge of their stategy" they say that the Mets are persuing any and all options to fill their spot - or spots - in the pen. Specifically they mention not only the already held discussions with agents for Rodriguez & Fuentes but also those with other teams concerning Putz, Valverde, Street, and Jenks, as well as "evaluating" the situations with Wood & Hoffman (sounds like more as a fallback). Lyons isn't mentioned although I have no idea about his availability. MFS62 Nov 29 2008 04:31 PM On ESPN2 during the BC-Maryland game the tickert just said: "Mets believe they can sign free agent P Francisco Rodriguez to a 3-year deal because there are no other takers, ESPN's Peter Gammons reports" No link. Two comments: 1) It was Gammons 2) Don't count your chickens, etc. etc. Later Benjamin Grimm Nov 29 2008 05:05 PM As of now, my hunch is that the Mets will end up signing Rodriguez to a four-year deal. Kong76 Nov 29 2008 05:31 PM I agree. Or three years at really sick money per year. Gwreck Dec 05 2008 12:10 PM Some thoughts on this today from Buster Olney's blog at ESPN: ]� The Mets' front office believes, rightly, that it is in the driver's seat in the closers market, and part of their internal discussion has been about making offers to some relievers while informing them that the first one to jump at their proposal will be signed, and the others will be out of luck. The reason why this could be such an effective strategy for the Mets is they are the only team that appears willing to spend relatively big money on a multi-year deal for a closer. For example: It is not known exactly what the Mets intend to offer to the top-flight closers, but let's say they proposed a three-year, $36 million deal to Francisco Rodriguez; a three-year, $30 million offer to Brian Fuentes; and a two-year, $18 million offer to Kerry Wood. And then they could tell all three that the first to bite gets the contract. The Cardinals, Brewers, Indians and other teams are looking for closers, but probably won't spend at the same level as the Mets. The Indians, in fact, are willing to let the market play out, and at some point, some closer will be available at a good price, whether it be one of the free agents (like Trevor Hoffman) or perhaps a trade for J.J. Putz or Huston Street. Benjamin Grimm Dec 05 2008 12:24 PM What do we think of the speculation that the Mets could get Street from the Rockies for Heilman? If I'm Omar, I'd do that in a heartbeat. (I don't know if Street would be the answer for the ninth inning, but he'd be an upgrade for the eighth inning.) I just don't see the reason why the Rockies would do this, other than the idea that some teams see Heilman as a more viable starter than the Mets do. smg58 Dec 05 2008 12:58 PM Heilman won't be enough, but apparently the Rockies would bite if we threw in Feliciano. That still seems like a good offer to me, but I don't see the harm in waiting for a bit and seeing what our other options are. Edgy DC Dec 05 2008 01:20 PM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Dec 05 2008 01:21 PM Can we pronounce it Howston Street? Benjamin Grimm Dec 05 2008 01:20 PM ="Edgy DC"]Can we pronounce it Howston Street? If he comes to New York, I intend to do just that. Centerfield Dec 05 2008 01:31 PM ="smg58":2djctsow]Heilman won't be enough, but apparently the Rockies would bite if we threw in Feliciano. That still seems like a good offer to me, but I don't see the harm in waiting for a bit and seeing what our other options are.[/quote:2djctsow] Just let us know when the deal is done. Nymr and I are in the car waiting to drive them to Colorado. Benjamin Grimm Dec 05 2008 01:33 PM I don't want to drive to Denver, but I'll chip in for gas money for you guys. Frayed Knot Dec 06 2008 06:42 AM Read something in the last day or two (I forget where at this point) that Omar may try the 'first-come/first-served' approach with the group of FA closers. IOW, put out more or less simultaneous (though not identical) offers to Rodriguez, Fuentes & Wood and inform tham all that the first one to accept gets the job while those who snooze, lose. So maybe KRod gets offered 3x$14, Fuentes 2x12, and Wood 1+option in an attempt to snag a closer on what the Mets consider reasonable terms. Now this is a similar tact he tried with FA catchers Ramon Hernandez and (Benjy Molina?) a few years back although neither bit. That, in turn, caused Omar to trade for LoDuca instead. So maybe the trade route involving the Putz/Street/Valverde crowd is on the back burner in case the FA gambit falls through. Gwreck Dec 06 2008 03:14 PM ="Frayed Knot":3fkccx50]Read something in the last day or two (I forget where at this point) that Omar may try the 'first-come/first-served' approach with the group of FA closers.[/quote:3fkccx50] About 7 posts up in this thread? (It was Buster Olney at ESPN.com). Benjamin Grimm Dec 08 2008 07:46 AM According to numerous sources, Omar met with Francisco Rodriguez yesterday, and expects to come home from the winter meetings with a deal closed for a closer. Me, I'd be surprised if he got it all done in the next few days, but he might very well lay the groundwork for an announcement some time next week. I'm still expecting it will be Rodriguez. metirish Dec 08 2008 08:00 AM It should be noted that Jeff Wilpon went with Minaya and his crew(Bernazard , Ricco etc) to the meetings , took Wilpon's jet there in fact. Benjamin Grimm Dec 08 2008 08:10 AM That's not cool. They should have driven there in a hybrid vehicle. Edgy DC Dec 08 2008 08:32 AM A golf cart with a Mets hat. G-Fafif Dec 08 2008 03:20 PM Three years reportedly[/url:10qpkdcm] on the table for K-Rod from Mets, though he's not considered likely to jump at it. attgig Dec 08 2008 04:21 PM on a totally different train.... and probably more smokescreen than anything else (a la hoffman), but how about smoltz? he's coming back from injury, yeah. he's old. yeah but, we know he can close.

New trailer that was just released yesterday. The ending differs from the one in the trailer that is being shown with Quantum of Solace, and is much, much, much cooler, IMO:

I think this was ghost-written by SJR.

] -Jackie Robinson Park If we're going to name it after a former Dodger, I say Gil Hodges Field.

I think I'm one of the one's in real pain over this that TMF is referring to. The thing is not once has the countdown, the ceremonies, or anything that the Mets did or didn't do play a role in it. It is simply the fact that a place that has been a desired destination for me for over 35 years is no longer there. Shea is a place that I dreamed about visiting since my aunt gave me my first yearbook in 1972. It's the knowledge that I will never feel the attachment to the new place that I do to the old place. It's the fact that it was a home away from home of sorts - a place where I knew ever nook and cranny, where I knew where to get the best knishes, or the best dogs. A place that is home to so many memories. Whatever the Mets did or didn't do to mark this occasion plays no role in how I feel about it.

Sweep the leg, Johnny.

soupcan wrote: Centerfield wrote: Terminator. And it's not even close. Completely agree. +2

sharpie wrote: Artie should never have been in this contest. This one'll be a blowout. I completely agree...

This is a tough one, but I went with Bride...

="Willets Point"]I kind of like it. Me too. I do like the fact that they put the facade around the top of the stadium like the old Stadium.

Willets Point wrote: Red head, sweet but sassy, smart, and pretty but not inaccessible. Yeah, there's a lot to love about Molly. She just struck me as being too damned whiny.

Vic Sage wrote: Iubitul wrote: I just never got what the big thing was about her. i'm sad for you. Thanks, but it's ok. Ally Sheedy kept me plenty warm those years...