Edgy MD

What's interesting is Mejia is either forgotten, dismissed, or considered graduated from prospect status. Hard to figure out what kind of asset he is at this point.

Blue Jays have a proud history of taking on ex-Mets who still retain good will --- Mookie, Mazzilli, Coney... The teams also played hot potato with Pete Walker for a few years. All-Time NewYonto Team, up until Now Starters: David Cone Al Leiter Robert Person Cory Lidle Roy Lee Jackson Relievers: David Weathers Scott Schoeneweiss Jeff Musselman Octavio Dotel Pete Walker Frank Francisco Catchers: Rod Barajas Charlie O'Brien Infielders Roberto Alomar Carlos Delgado Tony Fernandez Jeff Kent John Olerud Dick Schofield David Segui Chris Woodward Outfielders Mookie Wilson Rickey Henderson Shawn Green Juan Samuel Seems like a group Reyes and Dickey will be able to join in short order.

I was going there, but yeah, Everett disbelieved dinos entirely, not that he thought they were after him. And he's like 15 years older than Milledge.

Vic Sage wrote: That Milledge hit .300/20hrs in Japan last season is pretty much all you need to know about the relative quality of play over there. And its a surprise he hit that well, since you'd figure he'd always be nervously on the look out for Godzilla and other prehistoric-type creatures that coexisted with mankind. I'm trying to get this one.

A true rebuild would have meant selling the ballpark and starting over there, also. I have no problem with a rebuild that includes David Wright. I don't think that undermines any philosophical commitment.

Benjamin Grimm wrote: The fifth starter is a big question at this point, but the first four would be Santana, Niese, Harvey, and Gee. Terry had said a few weeks ago that Wheeler would be in the mix for the fifth slot if there was an opening in the spring. Other options would be Heffner or Mejia, I suppose. Collin McFuckin'Hugh is head of the line.

Is that ROO-bin, or Roo-BEE?

How do I pronounce it?

Well, he certainly wasn't our least productive first-round pick. Probably in the top half. The Mets basketball team also loses some inside presence. With Rauch and Young also free agents, that's nothing to sneeze at. Starting PitchersPurifying Himself In The Waters of Lake Minnetonka =#0000FF]34 Mike Pelfrey DoB: 1/14/1984 Your Projected Opening Day 2013 Mets (Orange Indicates Players Have Options) Starting Pitchers =#0000FF]43 R.A. Dickey DoB: 10/29/1974 =#0000FF]35 =#FF8000]Dillon Gee DoB: 4/28/1986 =#0000FF]33 =#FF8000]Matt Harvey DoB: 3/27/1989 =#0000FF]49 Jonathon Niese DoB: 10/27/1986 =#0000FF]57 Johan Santana DoB: 3/13/1979Relief Pitchers =#FF8000]40 =#0000FF]Greg Burke DoB: 9/21/1982 =#0000FF]73 =#FF8000]Robert Carson DoB: 1/23/1989 =#0000FF]66 =#FF8000]Josh Edgin DoB: 12/17/1986 =#0000FF]48 Frank Francisco DoB: 9/11/1979 =#0000FF]32 =#FF8000]Jenrry Mejia DoB: 10/11/1989Relief Pitchers Catchers Infielders =#0000FF]39 Bobby Parnell DoB: 9/8/1984 =#0000FF]62 Elvin Ramirez DoB: 10/10/1987 =#FF8000]20 =#0000FF]Anthony Recker DoB: 2/13/1983 =#0000FF]30 Josh Thole DoB: 4/28/1986 =#0000FF]29 =#FF8000]Ike Davis DoB: 3/22/1987Infielders =#FF8000]18 =#0000FF]Brandon Hicks DoB: 9/14/1985 =#0000FF]28 Daniel Murphy DoB: 4/1/1985 =#0000FF]11 Ruben Tejada DoB: 10/27/1989 =#0000FF]2 Justin Turner DoB: 11/23/1984 =#0000FF]5 David Wright DoB: 12/20/1982Outfielders =#0000FF]23 =#FF8000]Mike Baxter DoB: 12/7/1984 =#0000FF]21 =#FF8000]Lucas Duda DoB: 2/3/1986 =#0000FF]76 =#FF8000]Juan Lagares DoB: 3/17/1989 =#0000FF]9 =#FF8000]Kirk Nieuwenhuis DoB: 8/7/1987 =#0000FF]1 =#FF8000]Jordany Valdespin DoB: 12/23/1987 Also on 40-Man Roster Starting Pitchers =#0000FF]27 =#FF8000]Jeurys Familia DoB: 10/10/1989 =#FF8000]76 =#FF8000]Gonzalez Germen DoB: 9/23/1987 =#FF8000]20 =#FF8000]Darin Gorski DoB: 10/6/1987 =#0000FF]53 =#FF8000]Jeremy Hefner DoB: 3/11/1981 =#0000FF]36 =#FF8000]Collin McHugh DoB: 6/19/1987Starting Pitchers Infielders =#FF8000]72 =#FF8000]Hansel Robles DoB: 8/13/1990 =#FF8000]45 =#FF8000]Zack Wheeler DoB: 5/30/1990 =#0000FF]71 =#FF8000]Wilmer Flores DoB: 8/6/1991 =#0000FF]74 =#FF8000]Reese Havens DoB: 10/20/1986 =#0000FF]65 =#FF8000]Zach Lutz DoB: 6/3/1986InfieldersOutfielders =#FF8000]79 =#FF8000]Wilfredo Tovar DoB: 8/11/1991 =#0000FF]67 =#FF8000]Cesar Puello DoB: 4/1/1991 Also in Camp Relief Pitchers Catchers Infielders =#0000FF]40 Tim Byrdak DoB: 10/37/1978 =#FF8000]67 =#FF8000]Scott Rice DoB: 9/21/1981 =#FF8000]59 =#0000FF]Carlos Torres DoB: 10/22/1982 =#0000FF]4 Mike Nickeas DoB: 8/29/1983 =#FF8000]12 =#0000FF]Brian Bixler DoB: 10/22/1982Outfielders =#FF8000]55 =#FF8000]Jamie Hoffman DoB:8/20/1984 Free Agents Starting PitchersRelief PitchersCatchers =#0000FF]55 Chris Young DoB: 5/25/1979 =#0000FF]45 =#FF8000]Justin Hampson DoB: 1/23/1989 =#0000FF]52 Ram�n Ram�rez DoB:8/31/1981 =#0000FF]60 John Rauch DoB:9/27/1978 =#0000FF]6 Kelly Shoppach DoB: 4/29/1984InfieldersOutfielders =#0000FF]13 Ronny Cede�o DoB: 2/2/1983 =#0000FF]12 Scott Hairston DoB: 5/25/1980 Coaching Staff ManagerBench CoachBatting CoachPitching CoachThird Base CoachFirst Base Coach =#0000FF]10 Terry Collins DoB: 5/27/1949 =#0000FF]7 Bob Geren DoB: 9/22/1959 =#0000FF]51 Dave Hudgens DoB: 12/5/1956 =#0000FF]59 Dan Warthan DoB: 12/1/1952 =#0000FF]18 Tim Teufel DoB: 7/7/1958 =#0000FF]26 Tom Goodwin DoB: 8/27/1968 Bullpen Coach Bullpen CatcherBatting Practice Pitcher Head Trainer Assistant Trainer Mascot =#0000FF]25 Ricky Bones DoB: 4/7/1969 =#0000FF]79 Dave Racaniello DoB: 10/15/1981 =#0000FF]78 Eric Langill DoB: 4/9/1979 =#BF8080].=#0000FF] Ray Ramirez =#BF8080]. =#BF8080].=#0000FF] Brian Chicklo =#BF8080]. =#BF8080].=#0000FF] Mr. Met =#BF8080].

Pitchers traded after winning the Cy Young Award. FanGraphs provides the WAR. Start with the Clemens deal. Cy Young Trading Team: Toronto.Cy Young Receiving Team: Yankees. Sent: Roger Clemens.Sent: Homer Bush, Graeme Lloyd and David Wells. WAR of Received Players During Course of the Contracts: 6.8 (Bush: 2.1 [Three+ seasons]; Lloyd: 0.3 [one season]; Wells: 4.4 [one season]).WAR of Received Players During Course of the Contracts: 6.7. Total Salaries of Received Players During Course of the Contracts: $13,443,667 (Bush: $7,602,000; Lloyd: $1,025,000; Wells: $4,816,667).Total Salaries of Received Players During Course of the Contracts: $14,600,000. Gun to my head, I have to call this a narrow win for the Blue Jays. But there's the added value of Roger Clemens steroid-fueled post-season performance. What's that worth? Or do you call that value a check left uncashed by the Blue Jays? I mean is there any reason to believe Lloyd, Bush, and especially Wells would have relatively bit the big one if the Jays were in the post-season? Maybe they'd have done well! Further complicating things is the reality that both Wells and Clementine re-signed with the teams they were traded to. Value derived from those subsequent contracts is not factored in here, but when a team receives a player, they don't just receive his current contract, but a hard-to qualify bonus opportunity to extend or resign said player. You can call it the other way, certainly. Still to come: Pedro Martinez and David Cone.

Ceetar wrote: Edgy MD wrote: By trading Dickey to the Toronto Blue Jays, pending the negotiation of a contract extension, the Mets essentially told their fans that they do not expect to contend for the next three years. These numbers always seem so arbitrary. Three? We really just mailed in a concession speech for three years? I think because that as the rumored length of his contract+extension, so clearly the Mets don't see him as part of "The next contending team" I think there's nothing clear at all about that, and that's some ridiculously simplistic logic.

Who's to say if Davis has a big year as a left-handed power first baseman they don't leverage him for something else since power-hitting first baseman are generally not that hard to replace? I think there's a period or a conjunction or something missing here. Who is to say anything? I think we all acknowledge that none of us know the future and we all deal in likelihoods of positive outcomes and not in certainties. Let's get that on the table right now.

Ceetar wrote: Ceetar, you don't see the Mets adding talented players who could help them for years to come? I'm down on the deal, but I think it's obvious what the strategy is. I don't know that it's..obvious. What else could be the plan? Ceetar wrote: It's the one that makes the most sense..surely.. What is the what that makes most sense? Adding players who can help them long-term is the theory that makes the most sense? Trading Dickey for D'Arnaud is the trade that makes most sense? I'm not following. Ceetar wrote: but take the outfield thread..what's the plan for that? We were going to post in it until we ran out of things to say and then archive it a few months later. But I guess you're asking what the plan is for the outfield. I wouldn't be surprised that this trade doesn't simultaneously address all concerns both long-term and short-term, or have a contingency for all possible developments. But neither would keeping Dickey. Ceetar wrote: I'm not convinced they will. Say we're a year in the future and the D'backs are dangling Upton. Do the Mets bite? financially? I guess that depends on the situation on the ground at the time, as they say.

And it's presumably R.A.'s last appearance in a Met jersey --- the blue one, but still.

By trading Dickey to the Toronto Blue Jays, pending the negotiation of a contract extension, the Mets essentially told their fans that they do not expect to contend for the next three years. These numbers always seem so arbitrary. Three? We really just mailed in a concession speech for three years?

Ceetar, you don't see the Mets adding talented players who could help them for years to come? I'm down on the deal, but I think it's obvious what the strategy is.

I like groupie chick.

Leave it to the Mets to botch something easy, like Luis Castillo dropping a pop-up with two outs in the ninth. When the best pitcher in the National League wants to stay with you for three more years, at a steep discount, you let him stay. Why is this so complicated? It's always been complicated.

Him being awarded the first opening day start of the Terry Collins era was a huge act of denial. Collins declared that he deserved it with the forceful optimism he's so good at, but anybody who watched 2010 knew that while Pelf's overall record would suggest that he was their top starter, his first-half/second-half splits spoke of a pitcher going in the wrong direction. I associate him with getting ahead 0-2, and then bouncing two curveballs outside that no batter in creation would think to chase. I implored him to come up and in on occassion, but he only rarely tried. (What's a big park for if not a safer place to challenge hitters?) We were left with a big guy with high-90s heat but James Baldwin strikeout rates. I liked him and his humanness, trying to find a persona to express with his big menacing frame beside douchebag bully, but he was a frustrating ballplayer in the ways described above. He also has been a pretty good athlete for a guy that size. If you're treating Pelfrey as a Kansan (though he was actually born on an Air Force base in Ohio), he's the top Sunflower State Met ever. Top Mets from Kansas Mike Pelfrey Ray Sadecki Neil Allen Mike Torrez Brian Giles Mardie Cornejo Tony Clark David Segui Larry Foss Ronn Reynolds Larry Miller, Tom Sturdivant, and Rod Kanehl don't finish in the money, but they do get a copy of the home version of the game.

Funny to see this thread still active. The joke going around is that they told Dickey to dress as an elf, and he came as Elrond. That was the last straw for the Mets.

The Flushing Royals just signed David Wright for eight years and something like $140 million. There's that.

A lot of prospects never pan out. But a lot of All-Stars never repeat.

Yabbut, imagine the turns in the story if it falls apart! You can't buy that sort of drama!

That's two thirds of a season for a starting pitcher. (And a successful two thirds.) Is that distinctly fast for a 23-year-old top pitching prospect with three years of college behind him? I don't know that is. Cole Hamels started three games at AA and and three at AAA, for instance. They had a need in the rotation, and he was the best available option.

Frayed Knot wrote: Swan Swan H wrote: The deal is agreed to in principle. Toronto now has 72 hours to agree to an extension with Dickey. Innuresting development in that Dickey has previously claimed he has no interest in pre-agreeing to an extension during such a small window so close to his one and only shot at true FA-gency. So if Toronto is serious about this no-extension/no-trade policy, and Dickey sticks to his previous vow and/or simply asks for such a high number that it effectively becomes the same thing, this whole thing could fall apart rather quickly. Really? I mean, do that ever happen? It seems to me that virtually every time a guy is traded to a team with a the contingency clause over a window to negotiate an extension, a contract is eventally consummated. I imagine that the trade doesn't even begin unless some figures have been bandied through a third party (such as the trading team) to ensure that the acquiring team and the player are in the same neighborhood. Even if the extension doesn't come down in the window, I'd bet the deal would tend to go through anyhow, with the package sent for the un-signed player perhaps reduced.