batmagadanleadoff wrote: Gil had two pitchers on his staff who would've been perfectly suited for long relief: Nolan Ryan, who had not yet transitioned to pure starting pitcher and essentially was their long RH reliever in '69, and Tug McGraw, who had not yet fully transitioned to pure reliever, and even spot started a few games in '69. Cal Koonce and Jack DiLauro were also regularly turning out multi-inning appearances. batmagadanleadoff wrote: But your post opens up another can of worms. The relief pitchers union that would one day successfully brainwash almost all of baseball and decree that the best relief pitchers must only pitch the 9th inning because the accumulation of their saves takes precedence over the goals of the team had not yet been born. Well, if it's pointless to be countercultural, then it's pointless, but we're asking what a strong leader would do, the assumption seems to be that he would have the courage to zag when others are zigging. Beyond that, though, if you want an apple that isn't spoiled, then go straight to the tree. Start with a crew of young, pre-arbitrational bullpenenners, guys who've started much of their minor league careers, and so aren't yet conditioned to live for a single inning, and guys know how lucky they are to have any big-league assignment, and so are unlikely to complain (especially about usage that spares them). In a pen of five/six/seven/eight guys, if one guy balks, complaining that as closer, he's only going to give you one inning/save situation work, well, you have a bunch of other guys who'd be happy to be the featured guy on the same terms as McGraw. Bill James suggests that a guy with Mariano Rivera's career, or Trevor Hoffman's, if used less frequently for longer stints, brought into tie games as well as narrow leads, as early as the eighth or even the seventh (clutches pearls) would maybe only save 20-30 games instead of 45, but might win 20 as well.* The first time somebody pulls off that trick, everybody in the league will want to do it. *And if Jesse Orosco could win 13 (three more than any starter on the teaam) in 1983 and Roger McDowell 14 in 1986, with a role sort of but not quite like the Bill James model, I don't see why this couldn't be true.