ashie wrote: Terry is a little old man and the action was out of a Fast and Furious movie. Terry was intellectually paralyzed. I don't think that at all. As I said, Bobby Valentine did no better, and nobody thought of him as too old or too timid or intellectually wanting. Managers are willing to get tossed because they recognize a moral victory for tomorrow and tomorrow's tomorrow can happen in a setback today. But they rarely are willing to get tossed � or risk getting tossed � in the post-season, because tomorrows are in short supply and today is far more important. The problem is that they over-rate their own importance to today's cause, and don't think they can be more valuable to their team as martyrs than as strategists. That said, now that I've seen Bob Geren in action, he's left me scratching my head more than Terry does. I also don't think that the action was anything resembling a Fast and Furious movie. I'm not sure what would make you say that. With the trainers looking after Tejada, Tejada ultimately being carted off the field, the video review, and the summoning of Utley from the dugout, it was 20 minutes of standing around. I don't think Collins should have thrown a fit. I do think he should have found a way to press his case.