Maybe the biggest shame in all this, at least beyond the one where the A's fans were an enthusiastic lot even if not the most numerous, is that Oakland itself seems like it's a city on the rise following a loooong down period. Another is that the team put in a long and honest effort to stay but were shot down numerous times and at numerous locations, mainly, according to various stuff I've read over the years, though NIMBY-ism. Now I don't know enough about the city or about the deals offered to say whether the NIMBY-ists were correct in rejecting whatever terms they were offered. Maybe they were all the usual assortment of promises and hyped jobs projections, I dunno. As for Vegas, I've long been skeptical about baseball & Vegas and it has nothing to do with the gambling angle. Vegas just strikes me as a very transient town, people are mostly all from somewhere else so to what degree are they even going to embrace their own team, especially when it's someone else's reject. And the out of town visiter coming to LV is going there for conventions and the nightlife, not a lot of time leftover for baseball. It's an event town: prize fights, they're getting the next Super Bowl, that sort of thing while baseball needs an everyday audience and I'm not sure how good a fit it'll be. But maybe I'm way off too. Looks like we're going to find out.