Frayed Knot

Pelfrey - 1.6 Bay - 1.4 Martinez - 1.4 Harris - 2.1 Pridie - 1.0

Now officially the worst game of the year.

Ronnie Paulino owes us Schaefer for tonight's game.

Ceetar wrote: I don't know if I've been paying that close attention to his gait. A couple of twitter responders inferred that Martinez is basically running like Ramon Castro. true? Since Martinez sightings have been mostly confined to the realm of prospect-watchers, I suspect many complaints about his running stems from twitterers (mis)repeating info about how age and injuries have slowed him over the years. It's a relative thing though and has mostly to do with a tamping down of projections made while he was 17 y/o and the apple of many scouts' eyes. IOW, he's not slow now although the slowing he's shown from age 17 to 22 indicates there'll be a lot more when he's all growed-up. There were always questions anyway about whether he could cut it as a true CF and the pct who still think so is even smaller now I'm sure - but that's still a ways from saying that his speed makes him almost slow enough to become an honorary Molina brother.

Chad Ochoseis wrote: Yeah, I wasn't aware of the 12-year waiting period on the contract. With 12 years for the $5.9M to grow, the math works out perfectly. Yeah, that was the whole idea. Rather than paying Bonilla a lump sum up front to make him go away after the 1999 season (his contract ran through 2000) they'd invest a somewhat smaller lump sum and agree to pay him off for a number of years in the future (starting right about now). It's good for the player as he'll need the money more when he's no longer playing and can't earn as much, and the smaller outlay was good for the club's cash flow at the time. Predictably, most of the recent news stories that dealt with this arrangement neglected to explain why it existed and instead acted as if Bonilla was just added to the payroll under some just-discovered secret and incredibly stupid agreement from way back when. Now of course if that investment turns out not to pay off as expected ...

Remember that both the investment and the interest were to compound for a dozen or so years before they even began to tap into it.

Nelson didn't view the transfer from Doubleday Co. to himself as a real transfer. Don't know why. It required MLB clearance just like a real transfer. Costly mistake. Yup. And, again, Doubleday's problem not Wilpon's. You don't expect the Wilpon's version of their "understanding" to coincide with the Doubleday version, do you? Don't see why not. And even if Nelson didn't see it that way it hardly makes what Wilpon did scheming and underhanded as you are clearly claiming. BTW, I sense hostility and also anger in your posts to me. All of them. Am I imaging things? Because I'm starting to get a complex whenever you address my posts. Yup. Everyone's picking on you again. It's all organized, we discussed the whole thing at the last meeting you weren't invited to.

"But it was never intended that Fred have the right to challenge the transfer from Doublday Corp. to Nelson: the imperfect clause that ultimately defined the co-owners' rights when ownership was transferred was inconsistent with the spirit of Fred and Nelson�s understanding." I'll probably regret asking this because I really don't care about this long-buried situation - but where the fuck is this 'that wasn't the intent' coming from? Rights of first refusal are hardly a rarity in business contracts but somehow only when discussing the Mets and the poor & lamented (we'll leave out bigoted and drunken for the time being while the beatification is going on) Nelson Doubleday do I hear this presented as if some sort of underhanded and sneaky form of robbery with the gun (one poster here described it as "a swindle"). I know it's national jump on Fred month, but I missed the part where Wilpon publicly pledged to never to try to increase his minority share and I certainly don't get this poor Nelson routine.

batmagadanleadoff wrote: I'm not sayin' that Doubleday was a victim or a paragon of virtue. I didn't say any of that. But Nelson's my Exhibit A in the case against being able to do business with FW with a handshake alone. How so? When Doubleday the company sold the team to Doubleday the person a clause was triggered which allowed minority owner Wilpon to have right of first refusal to become an equal partner. I miss the part where the fact that Fred exercised that right makes him underhanded. If Nelson didn't know about the clause perhaps he should have (sound familiar?) and whether he did or not is hardly Fred's problem. And, yes, we get it, Jeff is a rich guy's son.

Yeah, there was a theory that the wind coming off the old place created a current that swept down and then out towards RF in the new. Supposedly there was going to be some difference once the old building was taken down but since the original theory was never proven in the first place it was tough to show whether or not it went away.

Yeah, that 'Poor Nelson' bandwagon is going to have to leave without me.

his hope was a rope and he should have known ... a terrible blow, but that's how it goes and Freddie's in a corner now ... ECgBXkil7YI

attgig wrote: that one was right down the line, and at least 5+ rows deep. of course, it's a weak hr, but down the line in a lot of parks is a hr - perhaps even in citifield. but take saturday for example, granderson's was similarly down the line, but maybe 2 rows deep - definitely questionable anywhere else. and then arod's home run was right at the wall to left - he didn't even know it was a home run at first. (tex's homerun would die in the mo zone, but - that's just shitti field for you...). Teixeira's ball would have died in most little league fields - don't have to invoke the Mo Zone for that. The 'air-stream' theory to RF in that park is mostly speculative, it started as a way to explain the real high number of HRs hit there in the opening months in year one of that place. The more logical answer - as alluded to by both Gary in one of the telecasts this weekend and also by Chip Hale in whichever game where they had him miked (Friday it must have been) - is that while the markings down the RF line and also in CF are the same as in the old place (and by old we mean the newly remodeled old one) the wall cuts across more directly and with less curve through RCF so at least some of the wall between the markings is closer than it was in the supposedly exact dimensions of YSII. Hale was even making references to the specific advertising sign where the new wall was pulled in and did so right before Teixeira hit his HR just one ad over. ARod's HR was a different story. It might have just made it over the fence but did so on a line and that's a legit poke to that part of the field.

It's return of Utley day for the Philadelphias. Utley's back to make his season debut and rookie hopeful Domonic Brown is back. Victorino and Blanton meanwhile are now on the DL (read that either as the disabled list or the down-low, your choice).

a) I had no idea these O-o-T-S threads wound up in a special archive section I certainly had no idea they wound up here so quickly I knew I had started one of these but it took me a while to figure out why I couldn't find it. Anyway, weekend wound up 21-21 between the leagues thanks to a 10-4 AL romping on Sunday. Sweepers included the Indians over Cincy, the Mariners who held the Padres to just two runs over three games, and the Giants over the A's In the NL East the Phils & Marlins won twice, the Mets, Braves and Nationals once each. There's a piece today in Baseball Prospectus about the role the IL sked could have on the NL Central race (and, in turn, the Wild Card). The Central is supposed to be "matched up" against the AL East this year but of course things never work out quite that easily. IL games with Central teams actually involve teams from all three AL divisions as well as a variety of "extra" series against NL teams as always happens during IL season due to the differing number of teams in each league. Plus this year's "rivalry" games screws the Reds who have the unexpectedly hot Cleveland Native Americans while their expected toughest competition for the Central crown Brewers and Cardinals get the relatively easier Twins & Royals.

Stayed w/Pelfrey too long; Misch instead of O'Connor, bad luck 7th inning on Sunday; yadda, yadda, yadda, .... Bottom line is we didn't hit enough to win the series and were probably lucky not to get swept. As forewarned in the Good-news/Bad-news thread, scoring just a couple runs per game might work with the Natl's but not with those fucks from the Bronx even while missing Sabathia. Game 1 -- A 2-1 squeaker despite facing Freddie Freakin' Garcia on the mound. Fortunately Dickey was back on track and backed with a great pen for 3 IPs or we'd be looking at a sweep here. Game 2 -- Had Burnett on the ropes early and let him partially off. Loaded the bases with no outs in the 1st but the Turner 2-out/RBI was the last hit until two singles in the 5th gave us our last run. Burnett's exactly the type of guy who'll fall apart if you jump on him early. Game 3 -- Bunch of hits but almost all were singles, most of them weren't bunched well enough to produce runs, plus we threw in two GiDPs for good measure. Gotta take better advantage of the Ivan Novae of the world. Now obviously missing the #2, #3, and #5 hitters is a big factor. Even though the scores of games 2 & 3 don't show it, a couple of key hits here or there and those could be completely different games. But relying on the redhead for timely hits every night is only going to get them in trouble.

Now they go from a team unable to score without hitting one over the fence to one who scores at will despite being unable to reach an outfielder.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr wrote: A-Rod must be [crossout]living right[/crossout] the fortunate beneficiary of random chance. I have nothing to prove this, but I'll go to my grave believing that the Yanx specialize in that kind of topped dribbler and also in hitting balls to shitty for DPs in DP situations. It's like they practice them somehow except that there's no way to actually do so.

As soon as he didn't stop that Gardner hit I got a bad feeling about this inning. Two runs this inning and they still haven't hit a ball hard.

At least one suspect in custody

bmfc1 wrote: AndrewMarchand Official scorer, Howie Karpin, said the ball sunk on Jeter. I didn't realize that players were no longer expected to follow the flight of thrown balls within their reach.

Posada determined to prove that he's not about to turn forty ... didn't work out so well did it?

Edgy DC wrote: Only able to get the YES feed. Are the Yanx still winning on that channel?

Ashie62 wrote: G-Fafif wrote: Reyes-SS Murphy-1B Beltran-DH Bay-LF Martinez-RF Turner-2B Harris-3B Paulino-C Pridie-CF Pelfrey-P Not much from 5-9...or 4 actually. Having the 2, 3 and 5/6 guys on the DL tends to do that to a lineup.

Note to media: STFU about trading Met players!!!! It's fuckin' May and you've been carrying on this goddam conversation since March as if the path of this season and beyond is pre-set. It's NOT, and until it is at least label what spewing out of your mouths as speculation not set-in-stone visions.