HahnSolo wrote: How many of the voters, do you suppose, base their vote more on the 'traditional' stats as opposed to the "sabermetric" stats as posted by BML? I still think most guys just look at wins, era, Ks, and the eye test. I can't imagine Bill Madden casting his vote with Base-Out Runs Saved being the deciding factor, but I could be wrong. I actually think many of the baseball writers have altered their views enough to where they're no longer hanging onto narrow views of just W/L/ERA -- and that it's two active (and revolving) writers per city then fresh views are constantly introduced as opposed to the everyone who's ever written gets to hang onto their vote like the HoF. The non-baseball pundits plus a handful of old baseball fogies are still likely to scream and yell if the "wrong" guy gets it like they did when Felix Hernandez won with, what was it, 13 wins a couple years back? ... but those guys don't vote and fuck them anyway. I think they're going to look at pitchers who are on teams that are going to the postseason and that will eliminate Dickey before any other considerations. I do think this will be a factor with some voters. Not that they'll eliminate him from the get-go kind of thing but that enough will use the non-competing team as a kind of tie-breaker to make this a tough get for Dickey. Cueto, Gio Gonzalez, Kershaw, plus relievers Chapman & Kimbrel are all going to have the team-in-contention thing on their side and RA clearly will not.