LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr wrote: Edgy DC wrote: They have good releivers now --- pretty much top to bottom (at least before swapping Takahashi for Perez) --- but I think the Mets (Randolph, Manuel, Minaya) have wasted a tremendous amount of energy trying to play themselves into situations where the bullpen, including a Wagner-led bullpen, can lock up the game for them. There's only so much water any bullpen can carry. Agree strongly. It's like JM's managing the game to get to the bullpen (which he equates with the win), rather than to actually win. He does roughly the same thing with offense, too, on a more microcosmic scale-- put the team in position to score a run, rather than working to actually plate runs (bunt to advance the runner, not to score the runner, e.g.). Agree with the Minaya led Mets bullpen building....but when he needed to get it help after Wagner went down in August '08 he didn't. So much importance was placed on the bullpen but they didn't or couldn't get the help that year.