Vic Sage wrote: I'm sorry, It doesn't sound like you are. Vic Sage wrote: but did the 5-13 start not actually happen? I think that was clearly referenced when I started my post with "Since starting 5-13," Vic Sage wrote: was that a different manager? Nope, same one...haven't you been paying attention? Vic Sage wrote: he gets credit for the record SINCE then, but no blame for the start itself? I give him credit for helping to take an injury riddled team back to above .500 after that team started out 5-13. Vic Sage wrote: I'm sorry, i'm getting dizzy. i think i need to sit. Please do. I wouldn't want you to slip on your sarcasm. Vic Sage wrote: Reyes is having an MVP season so the team is playing 500. I think there's a bit more to it than just that. Vic Sage wrote: I don't think that gets Terry a ride down the canyon of heroes just yet. What Edgy said.