Edgy MD wrote: Also, there is probably a non-zero case for Hall-of-Fame Jerry. Baseball-Ref has him with more pitching WAR than Whitey Ford or Waite Hoyt. The lack of run support he got was pretty brutal. Also, probably nobody with 200 wins should be considered completely out of the conversation. OE: I shouldn't use the word "also" so much. Also I have seen a cranky Met fan say in his point of view, Koosman was a far superior pitcher than Tom Glavine! Also, of course this was a Wilpon hating, most likely oblivious troll, whom has good points, but goes way over board on blaming Fred & Jeff for everything wrong with the franchise, and stadiums, since trading Mitchell for McReynolds. And also letting Knight walk Over their first two seasons, which is all we're talking about here, Koosman was better than Gkavine. Way better and it's not even close or up for debate. And who, not whom.