Ceetar wrote: yeah, no. Utley didn't intend to injure Tejada in the same way a boxer doesn't intend to injure his opponent. But baseball isn't boxing, and it's not meant to be a full-contact sport. Not entirely true. Plays at second base are inherently dangerous and frequently involve full contact, even when the runner's slide is legal. Especially when the runner's slide is legal. Plays at the plate where the runner tries to score on a catcher who already has the ball -- even more so. Those plays often result in full contact. The neighborhood play is an attempt to mitigate the risks of injuries from plays at second base and it's existence essentially confirms the danger of that play. Baseball isn't boxing, but its players are exposed to serious injury from the natural and expected play of the game, just the same. Ceetar wrote: And by deviating from the baseline to intentionally hit a player, and sliding AFTER you're out, you're intending to hit him. Sure, Utley didn't mean for him to get hurt. Might as well have said "I hope you land on your feet!" I dunno. It seems that you're saying that all illegal plays are dirty. We agree that Utley thought he was out before coming into contact with Tejada. That's why his slide was illegal. No one's saying the slide was legal. Except the Dodgers, their fans and Cal Ripken. Utley assumed he'd be out and was concerned solely with preventing the double play so that the lead runner could score and the inning could continue. It was a smart play because interference plays are enforced weakly and inconsistently and Utley knew that. That's a problem that baseball made, not the players. So long as the umps don't call that play, the players'll continue to make illegal take out slides, especially in the post-season. And it'll be easy to rationalize: "How could that slide be dirty if the umps hardly call it"? This'll all probably change soon enough because of the Utley slide, because of the injury Tejada sustained, because it happened in the playoffs, on National TV between a game involving the two largest markets, and because everyone knows that the final result was unjust even though the replay umps followed the rules precisely.