batmagadanleadoff

Edgy MD wrote: Jim Beauchamp and Félix Millan. Yeah, that article I read should be fact checked. I was thinking of Millan and George Stone. Beauchamp also qualifies. The article I'm referring to is a piece about George Stone. The article states that Stone was one of only three players to have played with Mays and Aaron. Which just can't be right. Maybe Stone was one of only three Mets to have teamed with Mays and Aaron. Anyway, here's the piece: http://www.uticaod.com/blogs/20161127/stone-relishes-time-with-mets--73-world-series Lotsa stuff on the Seaver/Stone '73 WS decision.

Here's a quiz question I just came up with after reading a baseball related article. A "fact" in that article inspired this quiz, although I think that the underlying "fact" I'm relying upon is incorrect. Explanations to follow, But first this quiz which is probably correct even if the aforementioned "fact" might not be. Who are the only two Mets who were teammates of Willie Mays and Hank Aaron? To win this quiz, you have to correctly identify the two Mets in the same post.

Each team's last MVP award winner: 2015 Nationals/Expos - Bryce Harper 2015 Blue Jays - Josh Donaldson 2014 Dodgers - Clayton Kershaw 2014 Angels - Mike Trout 2013 Pirates - Andrew McCutchen 2013 Tigers - Miguel Cabrera 2012 Giants - Buster Posey 2011 Brewers/Pilots - Ryan Braun 2010 Reds - Joey Votto 2010 Rangers/Senators - Josh Hamilton 2009 Cardinals - Albert Pujols 2009 Twins/Senators - Joe Mauer 2008 Red Sox - Dustin Pedroia 2007 Phillies - Jimmy Rollins 2007 Yankees - Alex Rodriguez 2002 Athletics - Miguel Tejada 2001 Mariners - Ichiro Suzuki 1999 Braves - Chipper Jones 1998 Cubs - Sammy Sosa 1998* Devil Rays/Rays - No Devil Ray/Ray has ever won an MVP award 1998* Diamondbacks - No Diamondback has ever won an MVP award 1997 Rockies - Larry Walker 1996 Padres - Ken Caminiti 1994 Astros - Jeff Bagwell 1994 White Sox - Frank Thomas 1993* Marlins - No Marlin has ever won an MVP award 1991 Orioles/Browns - Cal Ripken 1980 Royals - George Brett 1962* Mets - No Met has ever won an MVP award 1953 Indians - Al Rosen * Inaugural season 2016 Cubs - Kris Bryant 2016 Angels - Mike Trout 2015 Nationals/Expos - Bryce Harper 2015 Blue Jays - Josh Donaldson 2014 Dodgers - Clayton Kershaw [crossout]2014 Angels - Mike Trout[/crossout] 2013 Pirates - Andrew McCutchen 2013 Tigers - Miguel Cabrera 2012 Giants - Buster Posey 2011 Brewers/Pilots - Ryan Braun 2010 Reds - Joey Votto 2010 Rangers/Senators - Josh Hamilton 2009 Cardinals - Albert Pujols 2009 Twins/Senators - Joe Mauer 2008 Red Sox - Dustin Pedroia 2007 Phillies - Jimmy Rollins 2007 Yankees - Alex Rodriguez 2002 Athletics - Miguel Tejada 2001 Mariners - Ichiro Suzuki 1999 Braves - Chipper Jones [crossout]1998 Cubs - Sammy Sosa[/crossout] 1998* Devil Rays/Rays - None 1998* Diamondbacks - None 1997 Rockies - Larry Walker 1996 Padres - Ken Caminiti 1994 Astros - Jeff Bagwell 1994 White Sox - Frank Thomas 1993* Marlins - None 1991 Orioles/Browns - Cal Ripken 1980 Royals - George Brett 1962* Mets - None 1953 Indians - Al Rosen * Inaugural season

I still hate their unis. They're bad and infantile.

themetfairy wrote: Can we all try to be nice to him this time around? Please? OK. [fimg=655]https://c3.staticflickr.com/6/5491/22745157098_48f057c665_b.jpg[/fimg]

batmagadanleadoff wrote: Lugo and Gsellman are hardly "proven", and don't possess overpowering heat. Let's see what they can do the second time around the league. I'm a bit skeptical. Who needs him? He's due to break down big time. Plus, we got Lugo and Gsellman.

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Lugo and Gsellman are hardly "proven", and don't possess overpowering heat. Let's see what they can do the second time around the league. I'm a bit skeptical.

Edgy MD wrote: José Rijo probably deserved more Cy Young consideration than he got in coming in fourth in 1991 and fifth in 1993, both times behind Atlanta Brave winners. In 1993, baseball-reference has him leading the league in Pitcher WAR behind his strikeout crown, and it's not even close. Not a lot of Reds have been serious contenders. Cueto came close in 2012 and 2014. Jack Billingham did good in 1973 and 1974, but that was behind an all-World offense. Tom Seaver, of course, was totally jobbed by Fernandomania in 1981. And then there was Mario Soto, who might have been the best NL pitcher during the era of the Joe Torre led bad two-button pullover Mets, but never had that one brilliant season where he was without doubt, the best of them all.

Each team's most recent Cy Young Award winner: 2015 Cubs Jake Arrieta 2015 Astros Dallas Keuchel 2014 Dodgers Clayton Kershaw 2014 Indians Corey Kluber 2013 Tigers Max Scherzer 2012 Mets R.A. Dickey 2012 Rays David Price 2010 Phillies Roy Halladay 2010 Mariners Felix Hernandez 2009 Giants Tim Lincecum 2009 Royals Zack Greinke 2007 Padres Jake Peavy 2006 D'Backs Brandon Webb 2006 Twins Johan Santana 2005 Cardinals Chris Carpenter 2005 Angels Bartolo Colon 2003 Blue Jays Roy Halladay 2002 Athletics Barry Zito 2001 Yankees Roger Clemens 2000 Red Sox Pedro Martinez 1998 Braves Tom Glavine 1993 White Sox Jack McDowell 1993* Rockies None 1993* Marlins None 1990 Pirates Doug Drabek 1982 Brewers Pete Vuckovich 1980 Orioles Steve Stone 1969* Expos/Nationals None 1961* Senators/Rangers -- None 1956+ Reds -- None * Inaugural Season + First year of Cy Young Award

http://www.uni-watch.com/2012/04/29/cleveland-baseball-contest-semi-finalists/

This thread title is starting to creep me out a bit.

I don't see why not. Reed was the better pitcher last season. (But not according to Schaefer).

With the baseball post season being such a crapshoot, the Cubs would be incredibly lucky just to return to the World Series,no matter how good this team continues to be.

from 538.com: The Cubs Have A Smaller Chance Of Winning Than Trump Does http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-cubs-have-a-smaller-chance-of-winning-than-trump-does/

The game of baseball is trending towards this mode of play. Granted, this would constitute a huge evolutionary leap, probably the biggest yet, and may not happen in my lifetime, if ever. But it's trending that way. It makes total sense to me. Two more points to make here, one obvious and the other less so. One ... Obviously, the advantage to this new style of play lies in the fact that your opponents haven't yet adapted. The advantage disappears when everybody else is doing it. Two ... Another reason to go that route, unmentioned in the author's piece, is that pitchers lose effectiveness with every successive pass through the opponent's lineup. Every pitcher. Not only the fringe pitchers hanging on in desperation for their baseball lives, but even the elite Cy Young caliber superstar hurlers.

Each team's last World Series title: 2015 Royals 2014 Giants 2013 Red Sox 2011 Cardinals 2009 Yankees 2008 Phillies 2005 White Sox 2005* Nationals - Never won a World Series. Or a pennant. 2003 Marlins 2002 Angels 2001 Diamondbacks 1998* Devil Rays/Rays - Never won a World Series. 1995 Braves 1993 Blue Jays 1993* Rockies - Never won a World Series. 1991 Twins 1990 Reds 1989 Athletics 1988 Dodgers 1986 Mets 1984 Tigers 1983 Orioles 1979 Pirates 1977* Mariners - Never won a World Series. Or a pennant. 1969* Padres - Never won a World Series. 1969* Pilots/Brewers - Never won a World Series. 1962* Astros - - Never won a World Series. 1961* Senators/Rangers - Never won a World Series. 1948 Indians 1908 Cubs *Inaugural season

G-Fafif wrote: ... you wish there had been more footage than postseason and a handful of games otherwise, but I thought the whole thing was well done .... Being that footage of regular season games was rarely preserved back then, I was surpriseed to see so much footage of the actual game where the Pirates started an all black/latino nine. There was even pre-game or batting practice footage of that game. But after thinking about it, I figured that whoever was in charge of deciding whether or not to save game film recognized the historical significance of that game, and decided to save footage, just like Pirates footage from the following season, albeit limited, exists of Clemente's 3,000th hit.

Sadly, the team's biggest stars that season --- Willie Stargell, Roberto Clemente and Dock Ellis --- are all dead. Also, did Al Oliver lose his left eye over the years?

The '86 Mets get the Dock Ellis LSD treatment. Fasten your seatbelts: [youtube:15053mxp]tZZ0w7vMz-4[/youtube:15053mxp] Recommended: click the youtube button so you can watch this in full screen mode.

Here's something to think about: If the Mets were to QO Walker, then why? What do you think the Mets would prefer to get from that QO? A draft pick, or one year's worth of Walker?

Zvon wrote: This special was surprisingly excellent with really classic footage for the most part. And very candid conversation. Worth watching. But when the narrative got to the 1970 playoffs (that's what playoffs were called back then --- playoffs) where the Reds beat the Pirates to take the NL pennant, the footage was of Joe Morgan batting against Pittsburgh. Morgan was an Astro in 1970, traded to Cincy during the off-season in between the '71 and '72 seasons. The same off-season that yielded the Ryan for Fregosi trade.

Centerfield wrote: The decision on Walker really should have nothing to do with Wright. Other than the fact that both injuries relate to the back, the two injuries could not be more different. I wasn't suggesting that this has anything to do with either the nature or the similarity of the injuries to Wright and Walker. If the Mets think that they can count on Wright to play 3/4 time, they might go with a platoon of Wright/Flores/Reyes to cover second and third, thinking that they won't need Walker. In this scenario, Wright's recovery is relevant to whether they QO Walker.

Do you think this decision is tied in to what the Mets think and expect of David Wright? If you think Walker's damaged goods, then based on what little I know, Wright appears to be damaged goods x10.

batmagadanleadoff wrote: So when was the first time, if ever, that the Mets trotted out an all black/latino starting nine? The first black/latino catcher to start a game for the Mets, post 9/1/71, was Luis Rosado on 9/28/77. That was Rosado's only start as a Mets catcher. Craig Swan was the starting pitcher that day, so that game can't be it. After that, Alex Trevino caught many games for the Mets between '78 & '81. So anyone interested in solving this riddle may want to start there. That's it for the 70's: Trevino and Rosado. Junior Ortiz was the only other black/latino catcher to start games for the Mets in the 1980's. Black/latino Mets catchers in the 1990's: Orlando Mercado Alex Trevino Alberto Castillo