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John Milner and Steve Henderson weren't bad Mets at all. But I thought they'd both become all-stars.

Jim Bowden, writing for "The Athletic", picks his so far All Stars for this year's game, to be played at Dodgers Stadium. He has four Mets on the NL squad': Alonso, Lindor, Nimmo and Scherzer, none as starters and Max as an injured pick. And he has McNeil and Diaz in his just missed category. Nice haul if it pans out. And he notes that Alonso could be voted in as a starter even though Goldschmidt is the NL MVP right now.

=batmagadanleadoff post_id=95172 time=1654623524 user_id=68] Are there major cultural and ideological differences between the two American Disneys? If so, I didnt have the slightest clue about that.

Are there major cultural and ideological differences between the two American Disneys? If so, I didnt have the slightest clue about that.

Exactly. His way, the only change he's now recommending is that the batter isnt automatically out. But the rule, as it exists already, removes all force plays and doesnt require any of the runners to try and advance. His way, what's the point? There's no real difference between what he advocated for yesterday and his "modification " of today. Either way, the runners would be forced to run on a ball that drops in and they'd be dead ducks. The only other possibility with this "modification " is that the play would evolve where when the batted ball drops in, all runners nevertheless stay put. Then what? Eventually, either the batter or the runner on first is declared out. And what would be the point of all that? The IFR is the best, if not a perfect solution.

=roger_that post_id=95147 time=1654614782 user_id=128] Currently, it doesn't matter if the fielder drops it. Batter is still out. My way the ball would be in play, but instead of the runner being out if the bag is stepped on, he would have to be tagged out.

I think that the only change you're now proposing in your "modification" is the fielder's option to retire the batter, or not -- the batter isn't automatically out.

=roger_that post_id=95143 time=1654614067 user_id=128] No, what I'm calling for is allowing the fielder to drop the popup, or not, as he chooses, and if he chooses to drop it, THEN a runner on first who must run to 2B would no longer be forced at 2B, as he currently would be.

Johnny Lunchbucket wrote: [this to me just seems too exploitable under normal circumstances--iow, legal deception wouldn't be a clever way to take advantage but the "right" play. You could modify the IF rule, though. You could make it so when the ump calls "Infield Fly" that means the ball is in play whether the fielder catches the ball or drops it BUT runners trying to advance must be tagged out, not forced out. With runners on first and third, for example, that becomes a tricky play: the guy on first tries to get himself into a pickle, while the guy on third takes a long lead but breaks for home at the right moment, or not at all, depending on his reading of the play on the other runner. That's a good play, one I love to watch, and it takes only a small modification of the current IF rule. This would also reduce the number of triple-plays on IF plays. It's not necessary to modify the IFR that way because the rule already is written like that. Force plays are removed when the infield fly is called. Without the rule, the force play, obviously, remains in effect. Without the rule, those runners are dead ducks. Example: with runners on first and second and nobody out, the batter hits a pop up and an ump calls the infield fly rule. If the runner on second tries to advance to third on the play, he must be tagged out, just the same as if there was no runner on first.

Johnny Lunchbucket wrote: [this to me just seems too exploitable under normal circumstances--iow, legal deception wouldn't be a clever way to take advantage but the "right" play. You could modify the IF rule, though. You could make it so when the ump calls "Infield Fly" that means the ball is in play whether the fielder catches the ball or drops it BUT runners trying to advance must be tagged out, not forced out. With runners on first and third, for example, that becomes a tricky play: the guy on first tries to get himself into a pickle, while the guy on third takes a long lead but breaks for home at the right moment, or not at all, depending on his reading of the play on the other runner. That's a good play, one I love to watch, and it takes only a small modification of the current IF rule. This would also reduce the number of triple-plays on IF plays. It's not necessary to modify the IFR that way because the rule already is written like that. Force plays are removed when the infield fly is called. Without the rule, the force play, obviously, remains in effect. Without the rule, those runners are dead ducks.

Edgy MD wrote: I think a big part of both the balk rule and infield fly rule stem from a general distaste with deception. Deception is all over baseball, and most sports, but it tends to be at a private, nuanced level among the players. The sort of deception that leaves a guy pantsed in front of the audience was perhaps seen as more distasteful. True. If you go back far enough, there was a time when curve ball pitchers were once seen as cheaters. -- an obviously quaint thought today. The game is cutthroat and should be . And the whole point of pitching is obviously to prevent scoring. The IFR doesnt have to exist. It's simply a matter of preference. There are infinite ways of tinkering with the rules to produce the level of run scoring in an average game that MLB desires. Pitching may be cutthroat but still, there are limits. A pitcher may curve the pitch but he may not immerse the baseball in vaseline. Me, I dont see the IFR-less game as an exciting play because without the rule, the advantage to the fielding team is enormously lopsided.

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=roger_that post_id=95036 time=1654544921 user_id=128] =batmagadanleadoff post_id=95034 time=1654544672 user_id=68] =roger_that post_id=95032 time=1654544141 user_id=128] You get a little boring sometimes. Anyone ever tell you that?

=roger_that post_id=95032 time=1654544141 user_id=128] You get a little boring sometimes. Anyone ever tell you that?

Edgy MD wrote: =batmagadanleadoff post_id=95023 time=1654543057 user_id=68] =batmagadanleadoff post_id=95021 time=1654542811 user_id=68] It would also make the game easier to administrate. If a runner could advance whenever the hell he felt like advancing, thatd be one less thing an ump could screw up and there'd no longer be a need for appeal plays. Eliminate the balk, too, while you're at it. Why cant a pitcher pitch with any motion he wants to? Why does his pickoff form have to be constrained? More strategy. And let fielders throw their gloves at the batted ball. There's a new skill to develop! Why must a batter be called out when his fly ball is caught on the fly? Let's bring back soaking.

And let players steroid it up all they want. Who the fuck decides what's fair? Aaron Judge is a combo giant and cyclops monster and Bud Harrelson was a toothpick who couldn't crack 160 pounds if he ate a whole horse. That's fair?

Edgy MD wrote: I dinna follow. I follow seawolf perfectly. It would also make the game easier to administrate. If a runner could advance whenever the hell he felt like advancing, thatd be one less thing an ump could screw up and there'd no longer be a need for appeal plays. Eliminate the balk, too, while you're at it. Why cant a pitcher pitch with any motion he wants to? Why does his pickoff form have to be constrained? More strategy. And let fielders throw their gloves at the batted ball. There's a new skill to develop! Why must a batter be called out when his fly ball is caught on the fly? Let's bring back soaking.

Edgy MD wrote: This doesnt sound right. One extra DP could easily be the tipping point. One extra DP could have huge consequences. Teams rarely have more than one big inning in a game, if even that. But that one big inning usually decides the game. I didn't write that one occasional extra double play would be inconsequential. I wrote that triple plays would not become routine. I also wrote that even additional double plays would be less frequent than suggested. When they occur, they will certainly be consequential. They already are for batters that ground into them, and I don't think that players who pop out should be protected from potential consequences. What do you call "routine"? If every team pulls of four TP's. a year ( and they will), that would reduce offense significantly.

Edgy MD wrote: I dinna follow. I follow seawolf perfectly. It would also make the game easier to administrate. If a runner could advance whenever the hell he felt like advancing, thatd be one less thing an ump could screw up and there'd no longer be a need for appeal plays. Eliminate the balk, too, while you're at it. Why cant a pitcher pitch with any motion he wants to? Why does his pickoff form have to be constrained? More strategy. And let fielders throw their gloves at the batted ball. There's a new skill to develop!

Edgy MD wrote: I dinna follow. I follow seawolf perfectly.

Edgy MD wrote: Edgy MD wrote: I feel healthily certain that triple plays would not become routine. How often does the rule come into play now? Once every four games? And teams are turning over triple plays every four games? Or every week? Or every month? But none of that would happen as such. Beyond the infrequency of the rule's application, it's there more to prevent double plays than triple plays, and there are already multiple double-plays per game, so one more every four games would not be a radical change statistically. This doesnt sound right. One extra DP could easily be the tipping point. One extra DP could have huge consequences. Teams rarely have more than one big inning in a game, if even that. But that one big inning usually decides the game.

=roger_that post_id=94993 time=1654538216 user_id=128] =batmagadanleadoff post_id=94986 time=1654536875 user_id=68] =batmagadanleadoff post_id=94985 time=1654536377 user_id=68] You'd have a game almost unrecognizable. Triple plays would become common enough that players would intentionally hit grounders. Fine, if that's what you want.The thing about eliminating the infield fly rule is that it would give the defense an enormous advantage. The risks and benefits wouldn't be spread evenly, not even close.

Edgy MD wrote: I feel healthily certain that triple plays would not become routine. How often does the rule come into play now? Once every four games? And teams are turning over triple plays every four games? Or every week? Or every month?

=batmagadanleadoff post_id=94986 time=1654536875 user_id=68] =batmagadanleadoff post_id=94985 time=1654536377 user_id=68] You'd have a game almost unrecognizable. Triple plays would become common enough that players would intentionally hit grounders. Fine, if that's what you want.

=batmagadanleadoff post_id=94985 time=1654536377 user_id=68] You'd have a game almost unrecognizable. Triple plays would become common enough that players would intentionally hit grounders. Fine, if that's what you want.