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="Johnny Dickshot"] That doesn�t necessarily mean that LM was called up strictly so as to �teach him some discipline� as Madden might put it, or that there�s an unspoken organizationwide muzzle designed to prevent folks from acknowledging it, as Raissman might say, but the core truth � Milledge could benefit from veterans probably moreso than the average rookie � is prolly true. No? JD, the best answer I can give to that is a definite maybe. We really don't know much about how he acted in the minors. And maybe that's because of the muzzle that the author spoke about. Later

Elster88 wrote: So far I have yet to see an "overdramatic deadline deal" during Omar's tenure with the Mets. I'll reserve judgement until then. Which deals are you referring to from his Expo-days? I dunno. I got that impression from the articles about him when he joined the Mets. Memory fails me. Didn't he make a deal involving a fat righty pitcher for a bunch of kids? You have to admit, since he's been with the Mets he has made more than a few star-power acquisitions (trade or FA signing). And Sharpie's response is sorta' what I expected. I agree. It was an in-advance face saving statement. If Lastings keeps it up, ain't no way he's being sent back down. Later

Edgy DC wrote: Derek Jeter and George Steinbrenneer could be arrested tomorrow on unseemly (almost un-name-able) charges. C'mon, Edgy. Name them, name them. Please. LOL! Later

That stat really is odd. Youwould think that fastball pitchers get most of the infield popups because they're throwing up in the zone. (There's probably a better way to say that, but you know what I mean.) Traschell and Glavine aren't exactly flame throwers. Later

you forgot about the "every Met fan's dream" part. No, if what you said happens (shudder), Omar will be in his glory. It will be his excuse for making an overdramatic deadline deal. He loves to do that stuff, back to his days in Montreal. Too bad we don't have anyone in the minors like a Jason Bay for him to give up this time. Later

I didn't know Raismann was capable of the Vulcan mind meld. Later

and every Met fan's dream. Omar has said Lastings was being brought up to "give him a taste of the major leagues" and when Nady gets off the DL, he would be sent back to the minors. Well, what happens if at the time Nady is ready to return, Lastings is hitting, say .325 with 40 RBI in 45 games? Will Omar have the cajones to send him down? Whaddaya' think? Later EDIT: If you think this belongs in the Lastings thread, you can move it there. But I feel this is more about Omar than it is about Milledge.

="Edgy DC"]Dodger 16s Ducky Medwick Van Lingle Mungo Billy Hermann Ron Perranoski Rick Monday Hideo Nomo Paul Lo Duca Andre Eithier I have a different POV, Edgy. The true Dodger 16s were Medwick, Mungo and Hermann. The rest played in LA. Later

Soler 4 Bradford 1.5 Delgado 2 Reyes 1.5 Milledge 1 Later

I hope they're following their workout regimens, so when they jump off the Yankee bandwagon they won't injure themselves. Later

Bend Over Like Beckett? Later

That projection of Adam Dunn puts him near Jim Thome territory. Fun stuff. Later

Favorite sign at the Polo Grounds (before the ushers made the posters take it down and tossed them out of the park): Fuck O'Malley Later

The luck O' the Irish? Later

Elster88 wrote: I can't imagine why another team would take him. We'd probably have to cut him. The only team I can think of that might take him is Seattle. They are currently playing kids in the middle infield, they are owned by a Japanese Conglomerate, and have a Japanese President. And their city has a relatively large Japanese-American population. They not only have a Japanese superstar (Ichiro) but a Japanese catcher, too. I have no idea who the Mariners have who the Mets might want. Later

How do you verify "best baserunning pitcher" with the help of the UMDB? Seems I'm the only one who voted for Al Jackson? Come on, some of you oldtimers who remember Al. Help me out here. Later

Milledge 3 Trachsel 2.5 Valentin 2 Wright 2.5 Later

]If Bonds had done what Milledge did after the homer off Wagner, how would you have felt? How do you think Wagner would have felt? If that had happened, I would have felt bad, not because of what he did, but because it tied a game my team looked like they were winning. But I would have been madder at that than what he did afterwards. He would be acknowledging the cheers of his fans, and I have no problem with that. I never took Sosa leading cheers between innings to get his fans into the game as insulting to anyone. What about when players on the bench start waving towels to get the fans going? If another team or their fans took it that way, then they either don't understand the distiction between cheerleading and showing up the other team, or are very paranoid. Later

He didn't rub it in anybody's face. He didn't stand there and admire his home run, then fling his bat and do a showboat trot. He didn't point at the pitcher. He didn't do a lot of things that might be considered showboating/ insulting to the other team or one of its players. He demonstrated some boyish enthusiasm by returning the love the fans in right field were showering on him. BTW- both Mikes on ESPN radio agreed with me this morning, and even used the Green Bay dive analogy. They said it was different from a football player taunting another player by standing over him and/or pointing. They went on to say that baseball has too many "unwritten rules" and this was an example of how silly some of them are. They drew the anaolgy with Sammy Sosa leading cheers by fans in the right field stands in Wrigley when he went out to take his position between innings. The intent was to get the fans into the game, not to show up the other team. This was between innings, not a game interrupting thing. I tend to be a baseball purist about many things. But this isn't one of them. It was a one time demonstration of youthful exuberance. That's all. The kid had just hit his first major league home run. Cut him some slack and let him enjoy it. Later

Oh, Rats! Another excellent KTE that has raised the bar for all who follow. Waitaminnit, did I just say "bar"? That's it. MY KTE is due right after the July 4th weekend, when everyone will hopefully be too drunk/ hung over to notice my puny contribution. Whew! That makes me feel awhole lot better. Oh, what were we talking about? Oh, this KTE. Am I the only person who actually liked Kent when he was a Met and still likes him today? That's why I have him on my Fantasy team. Of course, that's why he's on the DL. Notice, I haven't said anything about the team. That's because I still haven't forgiven Walter Fucking O'Malley. That's all. Later

It was a once in a lifetime experience for the kid - his first major league homer. Let him celebrate a little if it doesn't effect the flow of the game. Willie told him that kind of behavior shouldn't be a regular thing. I wonder if he would have told Willie Mays not to play stickball with the neighborhood kids outside the Polo Grounds? Is baseball the sport that considers itself to be FAN-tastic? (I forgot) Well those young fans with whom he exchanged high fives will never forget that moment. Baseball is losing its popularity to football. In Green Bay players dive into the stands after a touchdown. Maybe if more baseball players gave high fives some of those young fans would come back. Later

Why doesn't he retire already? Later

Elster88 wrote: In a tie-game in the top of the ninth or later at home, you bring the closer in because you win it in the bottom of that inning. Edit: I'm Jerry Grote. With this team, that's easier said than done. later

Why is the closer in there in a tie game? If he was going to go with formula pitching in the eighth, why throw out the "book" in the ninth? Later Later

Screw formula pitching. Traschell was breezing along. I wouldn't have pulled him unless he got into trouble. Oh, and Fukk Steve Finley. I told ya' so in the other thread. Later