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metirish wrote: No Sandy did not have that but his numbers are just cool.. http://www.baseball-reference.com/k/koufasa01.shtml Heh. One of the funniest things I've ever hear a sports radio host do to an ignorant caller happened one day when a young caller called Russ Salzberg on WFAN. The caller said he looked at Koufax's stats and wondered "Where's The Beef" and Russ laid into him like the caller was defacing a sacred landmark. What made it funny was, Russ didn't actually answer the question, just basically acted all "How dare YOU QUESTION the greatness of Sandy Koufax ya punk!" and hung up the phone! I really wonder how Salzberg lasted as long as he did on that station

Howie Rose and Tom McCarthy on the new white out tape dispenser. From the You Know When A Game Is A Blowout Department!

Heh, ARod with a HR to put the Skanks ahead, but yeah he's not clutch!

HahnSolo wrote: Man, been a long time since I saw the Lenny HR. Dave Smith looks like a pitcher in a 45 and older beer softball league. Check out the Carter hit a few days later, Charlie Kerfield looks even worse!

Bret Sabermetric wrote: There are some classic Mets moments here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hsfD9aP68PI but no sound and some I never saw or have forgetten. If you can ID all of them, I'd love to see it. The big fight at the beginning is of course October of 1973, which I saw in person, but others (like the slide at home against the Phillies) I came up blank on.. 00:00-00:46 Rose vs Harrelson Mele 1973 00:46-1:08 Mets clinch 1973 NL Flag 1:09-1:39 Dykstra's walk off Game 3 1986 NLCS 1:39-2:11 Mike Piazza tees off against Rocket in 1999 (Blank home unis for the Mets) 2:11-2:33 John Olerud drives in winning run against Schilling in May of 1999 2:33-2:47 Bill Buckner play, Game 6 1986 WS 2:47(kind of funny)-3:07 Final out 1986 World Series 3:07-3:35 Matt Franco hit is game winner against Rivera and Yankees from 1999 3:35-4:06 Todd Pratt's series ending walkoff against the D'Backs 1999 NLDS 4:06-4:58 Robin Ventura's Grand Slam Single (I STILL can't believe they stopped him from completing the run around the bases, I mean has that EVER happened before or since in the history of baseball)

Zvon wrote: What was the signifigance of the Shilling/Phillies game? Was that just and extra inning win? I dont recall.... Just a special "moment" during a special year. Big comback against a top of the line starter

="abogdan"]The late, great Ray Traylor once wrestled as The Guardian Angel between stints as the Big Boss Man. Heh, no relation! No clue if Sliwa even knows about what WCW was back in those days (or even if he knows anything from the current pro-wrestling scene) Would have been funny as hell if he did and tried to sue WCW! Around the same time they had a masked wrestler in a yellow and blue suit with some VERY familiar markings, named "Aranchid-Man"

Frayed Knot wrote: He's also since admitted that more than a few of the early stories of Guardian Angel exploits were exaggerrated or just plain made up. Which probably hurt his cred during the first Gotti Jr. trial, and is probably why Gotti Jr. is a free man right now

Willets Point wrote: Is he a Guardian Angel? They were pretty tough back in the day. A Guardian Angel? He IS The Guardian Angel! Founder of the organization

Edgy DC wrote: I imagine Sliwa has kicked many an ass. Oh he has, I'm referring to outward apperances, which he is ripping Pedro's gardening for. Which is odd coming from a fellow who looks like he hasn't realized that the 80's ended 17 years ago! Mr. Sliwa has surrived couple of Gangland attacks by the way

Listened to a MFY Fan named Curtis Sliwa trash Pedro for this this morning on WABC radio, 77AM here in New York City. Course he hates Pedro since the Red Sox days, and hates the Mets since childhood, and I'm not sure a guy that dresses like this should be making comments about people's toughness:

Elster88 wrote: Yeah that reminds me, thanks for reposting what I deleted. Helpful as always. People wanted to know why it was deleted and I wanted to let them know it wasn't the same silliness that has bogged down the forum recently. It was a different kind of silliness. Sorry again

Elster88 wrote: Please don't call me Ellie. Sorry, that was Elster's rather dull nickname. Won't happen again

83 and WP, the OP by Elster had to do with the fact that Elster and Mazzilli had that Boy Toy look that jealous guys tend to say "Awww he's obviously gay" about. Think Derek Jeter, Keith Hernandez, Mike Piazza, ect, basically their manhood is questioned because, they tend to court the ladies and play the part of a great romancier. AAAAAAAAAAANNNNNNYYYYYY Way, Bret noticed that when Ellie was at the Maz Avatar level (Elster is now at the more "manly" I guess Bobby Jones level) that it made for an "Ambigously Gay Duo" type of combination, like Met Fans do when they see Jeter and ARod in the same photo. Elster agreed and suggested other combos, specfically Piazza and Elster. Apparantly this disscussion has ended since the page has been edited

I side with wanting to not even to THINK about the Braves untill we play them again in late July. In other words I don't want to see the Braves hovering on the fringe of the Mets-Phillies race in August, which is where they tend to make their push (see last year) towards yet another divisional title. Wild Card will probably again be from the Central, so thats why it's important for the Mets-Phils to get the Braves so far in back that they can't knaw their way back into the thick of the race like they've done year after year, after year, after year...

Uh Yance, I can't seem to find that post with your official criteria for head shots, so do you mind posting it. I think its more than just the All-Blue Cap

Great stuff G, but the reason Yance doesn't just swipe every headshot image from MLB.com's Mets page and the "Official Headshots" is that he actually wants the images to be, well Metologically correct. With a Blue topped hat on. There is an actual criteria list somewhere, I'd have to search for it on some old UMDB Request thread...

By the way, great suggestion, can you embed the instrumental Meet The Mets into the Mug shot page? Seems like every time I click on it that song enters my head, be nice if the rest of the Net had that experience every time looking at that huge page

Elster88 wrote: ="Bret Sabermetric"]The Kaz-Victor contest now has a victor, and it ain't Victor. Fix this in ten minutes, Peterson, expert handler of pitcher's arms and careers. Kaz now has 4 times as many victories as Victor In-Name-Only in 2006 and twice as many IP, figures that of course can only get higher as the season goes on. Kaz is now 10th in the AL in ERA, while Victor is probably somewhere in the NL's bottom 5 with a season's ERA of 6.75. The big difference of course is that Victor's arm is now totally screwed up, and Kaz's is healthy, and that was most of the rationale behind swapping them--they feared that Kaz's arm wouldn't hold up. Good one, assholes. http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/profile?statsId=7292 http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/profile?statsId=6752 I wanted to post my own "I told you so" message (aimed at Mets' management of course, I don't remember anyone here saying Kazmir/Zambrano was a good trade), but I think Bret's will do just nicely. The only media guy I know of who actually was for the trade when it happened was Wally Matthews, then on 1050 ESPN Radio. Essentially saying that he didn't know anything about Kazmir and knew that Zambrano was a Major League caliber starting pitcher and that it was a sign that the Mets were going for the pennant RIGHT NOW! Funny thing is, and probably why I remember it, he did a complete 180 after the Mets lost that first weekend series after the deals, saying it and the Benson trade were horrid deals, and that the Mets should start trading off all the veterans (specifically Leiter and Glavine) and stock pile youngsters his next show I think he pulled a hammy backpeddling!

]SteveJRogers Posted: Sun May 07, 2006 1:13 pm Post subject: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The real question is, why are we putting all this creedence in Jon Heyman's article? This is the same guy who was convinced the last two Aprils that Roger Clemens was a sinch to be in Yankee Pinstripes because of a "handshake" agreement (which eventually became something actually written into the contract) between Roger and Drayton McLane that guarantee that if Roger requested he'd be traded back to New York, no questions asked. And don't forget he's not a reporter, he's a columnist. His source could be anyone from Omar himself to some assistant to the assistant assistant GM. And it could just be absoulte hearsay and more like just a description of what may happen down the road Bret Sabermetric Posted: Sun May 07, 2006 1:27 pm Post subject: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Why not just assume that everything that appears in the papers to be an out-and-out lie, unless it's in praise of the Mets? SteveJRogers Posted: Sun May 07, 2006 1:41 pm Post subject: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bret Sabermetric wrote: Why not just assume that everything that appears in the papers to be an out-and-out lie, unless it's in praise of the Mets? I assume the same if it was in praise of the Mets What is your take here? To discuss everything in a paper at face value even though there isn't any tangilble difference between what Jon Heyman says and if Greg at FAFIF, would say if he heard the same thing from someone in the front office? Or even if I came on this board and said I heard the same thing. Or if Chris Russo said he heard it from a "Little Birdie" on his radio program Unless I, Heyman or Greg or Russo revealed exactly whom we heard the tidbit from I would take that tidbit with a grain of salt. Not sure if there is kernel of truth in it or not, if there is, then that would be the job of an investigative minded reporter, and that would be who I'd trust more than someone who either paid for their opinion (Russo/Heyman) or spouts their opinion (Me/Greg) and occasionally will have nuggets of information that may or may not be verified because the person spoting the nuggets doesn't reveal exactly who they got the nugget from Bret Sabermetric Posted: Sun May 07, 2006 1:49 pm Post subject: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- You may want to open up a different thread to discuss this in, but I think there's far more latitude granted to reporters and columnists using unsourced material to based pro-Mets speculation on than there is for using anti-Mets stuff. Basically, you'd have about a third of the sportswriting if you demanded hard, multi-sourced, OTR material for every bit of Mets coverage, but you only object to it when it implies an anti-Mets stance. I think your rooting interest prevernts you from seeing this, so you think you're just objecting to unsourced material in principle, but actually the sports pages would dry up completely if you kept to the high standard you're calling for here. Fair enough, I didn't say they shouldn't print it, I'm just saying everything printed by a columnist should be taken as 100% gospel. If I were a Met beat reporter (especially Newsday's) I'd be on the phone right now with contacts in the Mets Front Office and Glavine's agent's office seeing if there is a kernnel of truth in it and/or why I haven't heard about this before (assuming that I wasn't one of those sitting on the story)

Bret Sabermetric wrote: Why not just assume that everything that appears in the papers to be an out-and-out lie, unless it's in praise of the Mets? I assume the same if it was in praise of the Mets What is your take here? To discuss everything in a paper at face value even though there isn't any tangilble difference between what Jon Heyman says and if Greg at FAFIF, would say if he heard the same thing from someone in the front office? Or even if I came on this board and said I heard the same thing. Or if Chris Russo said he heard it from a "Little Birdie" on his radio program Unless I, Heyman or Greg or Russo revealed exactly whom we heard the tidbit from I would take that tidbit with a grain of salt. Not sure if there is kernel of truth in it or not, if there is, then that would be the job of an investigative minded reporter, and that would be who I'd trust more than someone who either paid for their opinion (Russo/Heyman) or spouts their opinion (Me/Greg) and occasionally will have nuggets of information that may or may not be verified because the person spoting the nuggets doesn't reveal exactly who they got the nugget from

Zvon wrote: its nice to have someone like Lima to go to at a time like this. (maybe not a game vs Atl, but a game where Mets pitching is in a bit of a fix) At least he's got some MLB experience. He does have the only Dodger postseason win since Orel Hershiser was kneeling on the Oakland-Alameda mound in celebration

Yes I might be doing that often today

="OlerudOwned"] BEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE-LIVE IT!

The real question is, why are we putting all this creedence in Jon Heyman's article? This is the same guy who was convinced the last two Aprils that Roger Clemens was a sinch to be in Yankee Pinstripes because of a "handshake" agreement (which eventually became something actually written into the contract) between Roger and Drayton McLane that guarantee that if Roger requested he'd be traded back to New York, no questions asked. And don't forget he's not a reporter, he's a columnist. His source could be anyone from Omar himself to some assistant to the assistant assistant GM. And it could just be absoulte hearsay and more like just a description of what may happen down the road