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[Trekkie Speak]Yabut in episode...AH Great Bird of the Galaxy I can't remember which, they do reference Chekov as starting pretty much when Koenig debuted. [/Trekkie Speak] Not kidding, there is some obscure reference somewhere, like McCoy or Spock rattling off a star date or some other darn thing that canonizes Chekov NOT being anywhere on the NCC-1701 at the time of the "Space Seed" episode in Season 1.

No, injuries are more freakish in nature rather than tweaks, or muscle falling clear off the bone the way they don't under "normal" conditions. Speaking of which... Mike Piazza

="Elster88"]SteveJRogers wrote: ]FWIW LoDuca AND Milledge were introduced at a press conference in DC! It's not worth shit. That was just a comparison, no it doesn't mean anything, but the Nats did make a press conference for those moves and we haven't had a move that was augmented by one of those confrences where the player gets shown in his new uni and such. ]This doesn't make sense. You say if people aren't brought in...then more people should leave. Brilliant. "Players leaving" for the sake of them leaving makes things worse. And how was this to be accomplished? Cutting people? Who hasn't left that should leave? I'd start at 1st base, but that is a completely different conversation. And yeah, I know putting Delgado through waivers would have produced the same result that the Red Sox have had with ManRam. My point is more that you would have expected a little more turnover from a team that experienced a historic collapse then the Mets have shown this offseason. It seems they are banking too much on the theory that last year was the aberration. Maybe make tinkering changes with the bench and the bullpen. And yes Mota is gone I left him off that list, but it has to be something that shows that the malaise that the Mets showed for most of the summer (that collapse was NOT just a September swoon) will not be tolerated in 2008. But at the present time, it appears that virtually the entire cast that were responsible for the worse collapse in baseball history will be back next year. metsmarathon Jan 23 2008 05:34 PM well, we could just trade jose reyes to the twins... are there first basemen available that would make you say a) i'd dump delgado for that and i'd eat his salary, too? who else was responsible for the swoon? heilman? wagner? scheoneweis? the only one of them you'd want to get rid of is the one who had the best late season. was second the problem? third? left? center? starting pitching? wanna get rid of maine or perez? was el duque part of the malaise? pelfrey? you wanna start swinging an axe, start swinging. but tell us why and how it would actually help the team. on the field, by the way, not in some mystical karmic fashion. AG/DC Jan 23 2008 10:09 PM Worst collapse in baseball history is highly debateable. Cutting Carlos Delgado to make some kind of scapegoating point is beyond debate. All I want is for the Mets to tell me that they love me. Nymr83 Jan 23 2008 10:29 PM AG/DC wrote: Worst collapse in baseball history is highly debateable. Yankees up 3-0 in the ALCS. that'll never get beat for "worst collapse" ]Cutting Carlos Delgado to make some kind of scapegoating point is beyond debate. umm yeah. unless the next Pujols is waiting? anyone see him? metsmarathon Jan 24 2008 07:08 AM iirc, the mets had one of the two most improbable failures to make the postseason in baseball history... at least according to baseball prospectus's figurings. and, yeah, the yankees' collapse was greater. in all senses of the word. (not that its consolation) and that doesn't seem to have hampered their ability to compete, has it? Benjamin Grimm Jan 24 2008 07:20 AM Nitpicking over whether or not it was the biggest collapse ever is pointless. It was plenty big enough for me. If another collapse was bigger, it offers scant comfort. AG/DC Jan 24 2008 07:29 AM No, I think it's worth it. If Steve is using that as a foundation of this argument that the team should make seemingly irrational moves as a show of contempt for themselves, I'm going to try to weaken that foundation. metsmarathon Jan 24 2008 07:56 AM also worth pointing out is that the team with THE worst collapse, them yankees, followed that up with a handful of dreadful moves in signing pavano and wright, and a largely unhelpful trading for randy johnson, and still won the AL east. so the moves that they made to flush out the bad taste were terrible, AND the holdovers didn't roll over and die the next season. AG/DC Jan 24 2008 08:03 AM I guess Steve might argue that the holdovers held it together largely because the hasty moves the Yankees made underscored their mortality before a vengeful or arbitrary god or God, and redoubled their focus. I wouldn't. Benjamin Grimm Jan 24 2008 08:19 AM Arguing with Steve is as pointless as arguing with Ira. When you argue with Steve, he changes his argument, but maintains his position. When you argue with Ira, he changes your argument. Willets Point Jan 24 2008 08:20 AM Benjamin Grimm wrote: Arguing with Steve is as pointless as arguing with Ira. When you argue with Steve, he changes his argument, but maintains his position. When you argue with Ira, he changes your argument. POTD!

I think having the worse collapse in baseball history should have been incentive enough though for something to get done, even if it is a "window dressing" move. Short of getting that big ticket item I think there should have been more players leaving than just FAs Glavine and LoDuca and Milledge. FWIW LoDuca AND Milledge were introduced at a press conference in DC!

AG/DC wrote: Torre had no suspicions about Pettitte and Clemens. He's close to his players, he says. He'll listen when they need him, but his eyes are apparently wide shut. I found it interesting that the admitter and the denyer are being spoken about in the same terms. Plausible denialbility in order to protect his legacy. Hence the "no suspicions" as well even though everyone had suspicions about Clemens since 97-98. Which also makes sense because if he said "Yeah I had my suspicions about Roger, the very next question would be "Well why didn't you tell anyone higher up on the food chain?"

For some reason I think Craig was with the Padres at the time.

KC wrote: Steve J. Rabble Rouser "You are a rabble rouser. You rouse rabbles."-C.J. Gregg to Josh Lyman "The West Wing" Steve J. Rogers = Knows way too much mass pop culture references.

Aren't they the same folks who tried to do the top 500 almost in response to ours?

DocTee wrote: Never mind "the Jake", it'll always be "the mistake by the lake" for me. Wrong stadium. Browns do still play at the original site though, but the Indians moved to Jacobs Field in 1994. Interestingly enough though, The Jake/Progressive does sit near a river.

Inneresting Gossage tidbit, only player to be an active MLB player in every labor related work stoppage. Starting with his first year in 1972, all the way up to his final big league appearance in 1994.

Valadius wrote: What cap will Goose be wearing? Likely MFYs, I guess. Should there be any doubt? Most years played, only ring, most of his big save years, including both of his 30+ years. His 4 Padre years are like Carter's Met years, great for the first couple, but downward spiral to player good enough to hang around a few extra years. Other than that it's the White Sox with the first 5 years of his career where he didn't get the closer job until his 4th year, and the next year, 1976, they made him a starter!

DQ's (Drama Queen) purpose, and it worked for Rose, OJ, etc, is to get that "shadow of doubt" into someone's mind rather than going the Bonds route and not talking about anything, ever.

Nobody don't like Yogi! Well, that was the title of that one-man play about Berra that was produced a couple of years ago. Except for one current Newsday columnist who thought Yogi was a hypocritical POS for going back on his pledge never to step inside Yankee Stadium. Don't worry AG/DC I'll take the next few coaches off =

Did some work helping awareness for Multiple Myeloma during his tour of duty.

Frayed Knot wrote: He's a Philly writer (not sure where he's orig from) who became one of ESPN's stable of basketball guys. From there he graduated to a regular slot on espn radio where he comments on all sports and has proclaimed his Yanqui love. He was born in the NYC area, not sure where though.

metirish wrote: I've often wondered what guys like Leyritz get paid for expert opinion, $5,250 a month working as an MLB.com analyst. Anyway Leyritz blew millions over the years. Blew It Big Time He was also working with 1050 ESPN Radio. I haven't had a chance to listen but I wonder what the Yankee sycophants on there (Max Kellerman, Steven A. Smith, Michael Kay, Brandon Tierney) are saying in his defense over this.

OlerudOwned wrote: ="SteveJRogers"]Actually I just heard some ESPN Radio host say he believed Clemens because he "always has been a great team leader, teammate" and has done nothing to suggest that he doesn't have good character. Another great example of a national media person that has no clue about the local levels of various issues. It's not even a local issue. He threw a bat at somebody in the World Series. Not to mention getting thrown out of an ALCS game in 1990 (IIRC) and then proceeded to throw a Gatorade bucket onto the field. To say nothing of his headhunting ways through the years and the allegations of not wanting to finish Game 6 of the 1986 World Series.

Actually I just heard some ESPN Radio host say he believed Clemens because he "always has been a great team leader, teammate" and has done nothing to suggest that he doesn't have good character. Another great example of a national media person that has no clue about the local levels of various issues.

="Frayed Knot"] The remaining 5 are the ones who never played a day in the majors: 2 of which never will: Steve Chilcott (Mets 1965) Just imagine if the Mets had picked Reggie instead. Course that being said, then the deal would have been Reggie Jackson for Rusty Staub, or Nolan Ryan and Reggie Jackson for Jim Fregosi (the last one I don't even want to fathom)!

Kase, you almost pulled a Rogers!

MFS62 wrote: What's an avi? I get the impression from the way it has been used since I got here that it is a tribute to a past CPF-er. Is that correct? If not, what's the story behind it? Not a CPF-er, but rather a MOFOer. He was an annoying poster from Mets.com, I believe one of his more famous threads is in the CPF archives, I think its his "Top Ten Games I Attended List" and a few of the more cranky MOFO-ites had some fun at his expense (SalaBretIraDoc was one of them). After a while he left the forum, but not before putting a "curse" on the forum and going back and replacing all his posts with a single . Hence . has been called an "avi" not really a tribute so much as an inside joke. OE: This is the thread in the archives

Benjamin Grimm wrote: If the baseball stuff is inaccurate, why are you presuming that the neighborhood history is accurate? When I see a book containing obvious mistakes about the stuff I know, it calls into question the accuracy of the parts I don't already know about. I become suspicious of the entire work. Ditto. Same questions pop up when dealing with Ken Burns' documentaries (just using Burns as an example) when little facts are wrong about stuff that certain people know tons about, why should other things be considered certified. You can't say "Oh his baseball documentary was full of small mistakes, but his jazz or Civil War documentary was flawless" based soley on the fact that you know baseball history well, but not so much about the Civil War or the history of jazz music. Sloppy research is sloppy research and should call the entire piece into question (okay stop staring!).

Off Topic but funny, the author of that series that Sasser was profiled for had a challenge put forward to him by fellow Newsday scribe Neil Best on his blog to track down former football Giants coach and legendary hard to get quote guy, Ray Handley. This was Best's blog entry on the conversation with Handley. ]Breaking news: Baumbach talks to Ray Handley! Well, that didn't take long. Intrepid Newsday.com columnist Jim Baumbach leaped into action upon being challenged by WatchDog and got Ray Handley on the phone Friday, politely inviting him to be the next subject of his new "Where Are They Now'' series. Handley has been living in Nevada and declining all interview requests since leaving the Giants after two chaotic seasons in 1991 and '92. Here's Jim's transcript of how it went: Three rings. RH: "Hello." JB: "Is Ray there?" RH: "Yes, this is he." JB: "My name is Jim Baumbach and I'm a sports reporter from Newsday. I do a weekly where-are-they-now column in which I like to catch up with former New York sports figures." RH: "How did you get this number?" JB: "I looked it up through public records." RH: "I doubt that. It's unlisted." JB: "I apologize if you're not interested." RH: "No, I'm not the least bit interested. Thank you very much." And then he hung up.

There is a book out on Shea's history, leafed through it at my local Borders. Great photos and a nice brisk read on it and the area's history. Shea Stadium, Images of Baseball by Jason D. Antos. Antos is a member of the Queens Historical Society and had a book about Whitestone come out last year.

Thought it was appropriate since Edgy has slipped it in from time to time. Changed it.