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That be a great debate, whose legacy has been tarnished more because of his plausible deniablity blind eye? LaRussa or Torre?

The neon players are going to be 20 years old this year, should the Mets bring them over to Citi Field? Should the new video scoreboard in CF keep the "DiamondVision" name? I vote no BTW, again they are a Shea specific thing, not a Metly thing.

metsguyinmichigan wrote: ="AG/DC"]Gee, I didn't know Suzyn Waldman was in Congress. OH MY GAWD! WOGER CLEMENS IS AT THE WITNESS TABLE! You know Suzy is curled up in the fetal position today, "Why, Woger, Why?" Heh, not only did she come off as a bad shill when she made her infamous "OH MY GOODNESS GRACIOUS" call, but she then took all the criticism of her and made it seem that everyone was attacking women in the sports media in general (as well as her breaking down because it appeared that Torre was speaking as Yankee skipper for the final time). So, not only did Clemens not deliver a performance worthy of her over-the-top, almost pro-wrestler announcer-esque delivery of the return moment and failed to finish in his final start, but he turns out to be a complete cheat and a liar. In other words, THIS is whom Suyzn pretty much gave up a huge part of her credibility as a reporter for?

Now I've never been to Shea or watched a Met game without seeing the apple, and yes it has been added to IGT Kabooms to signify Met homers and I'm kind of indifferent to it in general, but if you asked me point blank, I don't want it at Citi Field. Unlike certain things that are Metly in nature like the pennant banners and the retired number signs, and keeping Murphy's and Kiner's names on their respective booths, there really shouldn't be that many carry overs from the old ballpark. Oh if there is to be a Met museum or something then find a way to incorporate it (the actual one or part of a Met history montage mural or whatever) but the new ballpark deserves new traditions, not hanging onto something that is just, well, there.

Not really news since the very first renderings of what was to be Citi Field back in 2006 there was always going to be an Home Run Apple in center. The news will be when they decide if it will be a new one or the old one (and if new, what is to become of the old one). Case of a slow news day and trying to make something out of a nothing story. Doesn't even have the "We are going over budget to make this feel like a 5 star hotel" nugget that the Yankees had the other day.

http://cranepoolforum.net/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?p=38545&highlight=#38545 Sorry, just that this post reminded me of this CPF classic = No clue whatever happened to Archive Man. I guess same place that Mets Game Used guy went as well.

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: I would never have pegged Ramon Castro to be a guy who would one day be starting his fourth year with the Mets. Then again, that does seem to be the norm for Met backup backstops through the years.

Kase, you are freaking scaring me! From NYYFANS.com Quote: Originally Posted by silverdsl I think this is possible - if someone truly wants to believe something they will. If Clemens was going to deny it, he should have done so immediately, maybe had a brief press conference to explain his side to the media, then kept quiet like Pettitte and others. But the more Clemens talks the more material he gives people to rip apart and the worse it's going to be for him if Pettitte's account (or something else that surfaces) provides evidence that he did in fact use performance enhancers. Pete Rose is probably a perfect example of this. His "acts of contrition" with the book a few years ago would have been much better received if he had just laid low for all those years, even if he felt "betrayed" by Giamatti's successors (Vincent and Selig). Certainly Rose looks small as well with that "special" ball signing that he was hawking some time ago when he inscribed "I'm sorry I bet on the game" or something that seemed like it was right out of the opening credits of The Simpsons (reference to Bart's chalkboard running gag), so if he had done a different tactic, or even just came out and admited it at the start rather than spend over a decade bashing the Dowd report, then either the ban would have been lifted and/or he'd be in the Hall.

Couple of recent ex-Met signage Both Steve Traschel and Doug Mientkiewicz to minor league deals with the Orioles and Pirates respectively Also Chris Woodwardsigned with the Yankees.

G-Fafif wrote: My goodness. Knock 57 out of that list and we are reminded what a long, cold lonely winter it was. Was. Do de do do...

Agreed. Might be better off splitting this conversation into a new thread. I don't know, "Comparing Met Fandom Big Shots" or something?

="Elster88"]="KC"]I used to change the channel when Doris came on. (only kidding) I wouldn't blame you if you were serious. The phlegm filled cough and the mucous-y voice were enough to unsettle the stomach. And all she did in the calls I heard was repeat exactly what the host had just said. Which is probably why she kept getting on! Plus when you are doing an overnight show, you can stall much more than you can during the regular portions of the day.

AG/DC wrote: This seems stupid to have to say, but Doris was in no way, shape, or form part of the show at Shea in the way that Ehrhardt was. The day the Mets mark a championship in part by printing, in their yearbook the next season, a montage of the most outstanding defensive plays from the World Series, around a centerpiece of a picture of John Cougar Lunchbucket, I'll review that position. Fine I get it, there are no shots in the 2000 or 2001 Yearbooks or whatever of Weissman52's Playoff goatee, so despite essentially being the first Mets blogger, which is pretty much what his MetsOnline journal was, a precursor to what is known today as a weblog. Though honestly, lets just say a shot of Jonathan, with #52 being worn proudly and his goatee painted in blue and orange, did get into some montage, that would pretty much be on the same level as the countless of anonymous patrons whom have gotten their faces into Met yearbooks, programs, or any number of promotional items. Oh sure it would have gone up on the MOFO and would have gotten quite a good thread about it, depending on the crankiness of certain other posters or the Photoshopping skils of other posters, but in the grand scheme of things, its just another shot of Met patrons. The Mets aren't going to celebrate Bryan Hoch because he operated what probably was the first mega Met site on the internet, even before Mets.com even came into being. Despite the fact that Matt Cerrone, GaFaF and others appear on various SNY programs and such so don't just dissmiss the Internet Mets Community, and clearly I'll concede the Doris example as well since despite her 15 minutes (probably more due to her health problems more so than her frequent calls to New York sports radio stations) yeah she was just a voice mixed in with the countless number of callers to WFAN or 1050 ESPN or whatnot through the years. And of course Cow-Bell-Man is just an annoying, self aggrandizing Sign Man wannabe. But on the flip side, and yeah I'm going after your anti-sports radio, elitism here, she is remembered, fondly or otherwise, by those who did (and still do) listen to WFAN, that post on radio message boards, and such. No she really wasn't part of the Shea experience, I saw her once, but that was only after Jonathan Weissman stated the fact that he sat literally behind her one time in his journal, so her fame only comes from listening to Steve Somers/Joe Beningo/Jody McDonald after Met games, as she struggled through getting her points across through her coughing and always ending her calls "thank you for your time and courtesy." Was she the quintessential Met fan? No probably not. Did she represent what Ehrhardt represented? No not really. But if you consider listening to WFAN as part of your Met experience, then yeah she did add something to that experience by being one of the most known frequent Met fan callers.

FYI, Freddy has a website I've seen Weissman on AOL IM every now and then.

KC wrote: I have no idea who Freddie Sez is, I'm not a closet Yankee fan and certainly watch YES as little as is humanly possible. As for your first question, don't be so modest Steve that you leave yourself off that list of Celebrity Mets fans. Sheesh. Freddie Sez is an old Yankee fan who for years carries a sign with a frying pan thing and walks around Yankee Stadium, as well as Fordham basketball and sometimes the St Pats parade. Essentailly he is the Yankees version of Sign Man. Okay, would you expect the Orioles to offer a fitting tribute the moment that Wild Bill character from the late 70s-early 80s passes (if he hasn't already) Watch that sarcasm Kase, I almost threw you on that list but since KCMets.com hasn't been active in quite some time...

KC wrote: Doris from Rego Park? What makes Doris different from Sign Man from Weissman52 from Bryan Hoch from TACKA (The Artist Currently Known As) Johnny Cougar LunchBucket from Cow-Bell Man? Out of curiosity, would you expect or want YES to run something once that Freddy Sez guy passes?

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: I don't think that's true either. The fact of the matter is they prolly aren't paying for top-shelf journalistic talent on the weekdays, much less on weekends, gambling that we won't notice and secure in the knowledge that even if we do, they're still the only channel in town to see a Met game. On a more general matter, I mean, really. It's a guy and a baseball team. Let's not pretend whatever misunderstandings they had with one another were so hot, and the people involved so small, that they'd carry on beyond the grave by directing their news staffs to stick it to him personally by... refusing to inform people he's dead? Ehrhardt is the one person who needn't be informed he's dead at the present time. I also should say that although it's admirable and nice that people are able to find out stuff on fan sites better and in cases like this, before some alleged mainstream outlets, fafif himself would tell you he's not "breaking" anything, just passing it along. I kind of agree with 'bucket here. For starters, it did seem Ehrhardt had an over-exaggerated view of himself which probably had more to do with the falling out than simply being priced out of the market. I'm sure Weissman52 wouldn't simply dump the Mets if his old seats went up in value (not the reason he stopped going though). But more to the point, yes he was a Super Fan, and yes he was an integral part of the Shea experience during the 60s and 70s, but is it the weekend staff at the dotcom and SNY to realize that this is something that an official statement should be made right away of? Did Doris from Rego Park get a dotcom or Fox NY's Inside Pitch sendoff (she passed sometime in the early 2000s)? No, despite the fact that she was a WFAN and Shea Stadium fixture for many years and I'm sure no Mets Extra, or Steve Somers/Jody McDonald overnight show after the game would have been complete without her thoughts on the game. But in the end, she had her own small corner of Met-fandom, the way Ehrhardt had his, and its better off that both are remembered more so by the fandom than by the team itself. I hope that makes sense in terms of trying to explain why SNY and Mets.com weren't rushing to tribute Ehrhardt yesterday the way they would if it was a longtime visible employee. For example; Kiner, Pete Flynn or Bob Mandt, all whom I'd presume would get some degree of treatment upon the exact announcement of their passings, no doubt the templates for their obits have been made already.

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John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: I'm gonna come out and say right now that couldn't possibly be the genesis of their disagreement. Not only that, does anyone here even remember such a thing? I have scores of official Met publications going back to the sixties and I don't see any mention of such a thing. Besides, how would something like that work? Were Met Loving Big Shots also considered? Not to mention who was to say that the guy who sat in Mezz 23, Row F Seat 4 was a better fan than the guy on Field Box 45 Row A Seat 1? I have seen that story posted here before though, not sure if it was also posted by MFS62 but the point was that Ehrhardt was on the ballot but enough people ended up not voting for him because they felt EVERYONE ELSE would be voting for him, so he ended up not making the cut.

My cousin is interested in doing it again.

="Frayed Knot"] - they sent a carrier out from Norfolk, and picked the Yankees up for free Well they did say Queens could stay, blew The Bronx away and sanked Manhattan out to sea...

Okay, lets see if I can break my run of quiting on my team before the All Star Break that goes back to my High School days.

Not a baseball card, but check out this nifty McFarlane custom on ebay

And yet another quantifier, Kris Benson never really was what the Mets thought they were getting, but do you want to say the trade ended up working out because; A) While Ty Wigginton (though where the heck would we play him, 2nd? 1st?) had a terrific season with TB in 2006 and with both TB and Houston last year and Jose Bautista is a starter in the majors Matt Peterson, the "centerpiece" of the deal (according to those who knocked this trade along with the Kazmir one), has yet to pitch a major league pitch and Benson ended up turning into John Maine and Jorge Julio, who in turn was traded for Orlando Hernandez. While the actual acquisition of Kris Benson did not pan out, the twists and turns of the deal might give off the impression that in the end it kind of did.