Doing it the Drunkenly Quasi-Right Way

[Edgy MD]

Finding out for a fact Mike Piazza used illegal PEDs in the nineties and beyond < watching Mike Piazza openly defy Congress in a sad attempt to save his pathetic skin

Mathematical fact.

[Ceetar]

Edgy MD wrote: Finding out for a fact Mike Piazza used illegal PEDs in the nineties and beyond < watching Mike Piazza openly defy Congress in a sad attempt to save his pathetic skin Mathematical fact.

Fuck Congress. Stay out of baseball. I fully support lying to Congress to save your skin.

[Edgy MD]

That's weird.

[Guest John Cougar Lunchbucket]

Even the footiest pajama-ed of us in our heart of hearts strongly suspects that Piazza doped at an Armstrongian level and yet he's still largely a good experience for us fans on balance. Embarassing if we had to uncover it and all, but it was what it was.

What the Cardinals deserve is a good 2007 or 2008 experience, followed by, say, a 2009-2014 experience.

[ashie62]

Mike Piazza was able to carry the Mets on his back during some long winning streaks.

I am a hyprocrite because I don't really care how he went fitness and nutrition.

[stevejrogers]

TransMonk wrote: Maybe. I just know that if it were Piazza (or any other Met) that avoided the questions from Congress in order to not call himself out as a liar, I would have been embarrassed.

What Monk said.

IIRC, there was a lot of feelings that he just was a big disingenuous creep, and distraction, among Cardinal Nation at the height of his nation wide popularity. A lot of "24 and 1" sort of feelings, like what MFYLD have with ARod, even before the first wave of allegations and failed tests.

Ashie wrote: Mike Piazza was able to carry the Mets on his back during some long winning streaks.

Something McGwire actually didn't quite do as a RedBird, especially in postseason play, where the best run the Cards had during his years, he was on the DL and Will Clark was at first. So that probably adds to the acrimony of the fanbase towards him.

[G-Fafif]

Dizzy Dean's brilliant career derailed

In 1937, Dean was pitching for the National League in the All-Star game. Earl Averill from the Indians, was batting for the American League. Averill hit a comebacker that hit Dean�s foot, fracturing his toe.* * �Fractured. Hell, the damn thing�s broken!� Dizzy responded. I love that quote. Almost as good as Gomer Hodges, after going 4-for-4 to start his big league career, stating, �Gollee, fellas, I�m hitting 4.000�. It was this toe injury that led to Dean�s injury-shortened career. While still nursing a sore foot, Dean resumed pitching. The soreness caused him to change his pitching mechanics, leading to the shoulder and arm problems that Dean was never able to fully overcome, leading to his retirement in 1941.* * Apparently Dizzy learned from his mistake. In his one-game comeback in 1948, he pitched four shutout innings before hurting his hamstring running out a single. He took himself out and stated he was done.

[G-Fafif]

1973: Led N.L. East by five games on August 5. Lost Bob Gibson to injury (against the Mets). Still in first place as late as September 11. Fell behind Pirates. Eventually both fell behind Mets.

1974: Led N.L. East by 2 1/2 games on September 17. Lost division to Pirates by 1 1/2.

1981: Had best record for totality of season, but didn't finish first in either first or second half, which is what ya had to do in a year rent asunder by strike. Cardinals go home and watch Phillies play Expos in the first NLDS.

Plus Game Seven losses in 1968, 1985, 1987, 1996 and 2012, all after leading those series (four by 3-1 before losing three straight).

Stuff has happened. Just not enough.

[Edgy MD]

Going off on a tangent here: Is there something to perhaps be said for the notion that maybe it is merely speculation (informed speculation, but still speculation) that the toe injury led to arm problems, while history has accepted it as an established fact?

I mean, the arm is still a mystery to us today. How much did we really know back during World War II?

[G-Fafif]

Edgy MD wrote: How much did we really know back during World War II?

Enough to defeat fascism.

[batmagadanleadoff]

Cards tragedy with a Met connection: While a member of their organization, Cards minor leaguer and future Met Johnny Lewis's wife and mother of their two children, was killed in a car accident. She was 22. Here's another Cards tragedy with a Met connection: Cards trade perennial MVP candidate superstar who's also the greatest fielding first baseman in baseball history to the Mets for two barely memorable pitchers. As for the second bolded statement. Rick Ownbey yes, but Neil Allen? Guy was the Met closer for much of the early 1980s

Oh yeah, big shot? How many runs did ol' Neil Allen drive in for the Mets?

[stevejrogers]

Cards tragedy with a Met connection: While a member of their organization, Cards minor leaguer and future Met Johnny Lewis's wife and mother of their two children, was killed in a car accident. She was 22. Here's another Cards tragedy with a Met connection: Cards trade perennial MVP candidate superstar who's also the greatest fielding first baseman in baseball history to the Mets for two barely memorable pitchers. As for the second bolded statement. Rick Ownbey yes, but Neil Allen? Guy was the Met closer for much of the early 1980s Oh yeah, big shot? How many runs did ol' Neil Allen drive in for the Mets?