People Who Hate Sandy Alderson

[Frayed Knot]

Well, you could argue that, of all counts, 3-0 is a special case. It might also be that pitchers are less predictable now than in Ralph's day.
Pitch data doesn't exist prior to 1988 so we've got no access to check Ralph's memory and only to the tail end of Keith's career.
Keith = 2/3 on 3-0 pitches with a single + HR


My point remains that I think these writers are taking the view that because Moneyball favored high walks in addition to other skills that it somehow favors walks instead of them.

[Edgy MD]

Yeah, I'm just offering the philosophy he espoused in the booth. For all I know, he swung like a maniac on 3-0 pitches.

[metirish]

I do think EYJ needs to start everyday......numbers are one thing but he just adds something to the team...

[Benjamin Grimm]

At whose expense, though? Would you sit Granderson, Chris Young, or Lagares?

[Edgy MD]

Each of 'em getting three days in four until one of them inevitably gets hurt or plays himself out of the lineup works fine for me.

Giving EY a start at second against an upcoming lefty might be fun too!

[Guest LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr]

Edgy MD wrote: I�ve covered this team for a dozen seasons as the beat writer, and I have never seen this level of combined anger, distrust, frustration and dismay directed collectively at the organization by its fans. We need an index on this sort of thing. The "worst ever" statements are used too liberally, often with an intention of creating the atmosphere one purports to describe.

No, you see, trust me, he knows market research almost innately. He went to Wharton, you see. (Another reason Sir Sandy shouldn't think he's going to fall for this gradual-improvement-in-virtually-every-area-of-organizational-performance business and let him off the hook for standing us up, GODDAMMIT.)

What a bitchy little bitchfest we've got here. I mean, dude's a very, very good beat reporter. But as an analyst/editorialist, Rubin continues to show he's a great beat reporter.

[metirish]

Obviously he liked it better when the GM would pose for the cover of his book.

[Guest John Cougar Lunchbucket]

I really wish we could start him at short. Second is at least a possibility with him, but that overlooks that Muffy's one of the only guys having a decent year in the whole lineup.

Kernan is building a whole brand around being the media guy with the first and strongest anti-Met-hitting-philosophy stance. He and Rubin have both gone hard after Alderson and appear to save special criticism for Chris Young, whom they see as a particular example of the Sandiness of this team.

Kevin Kernan ?@WheresKernan 22h That Bases Per Out statistic Sandy concocted is not working out too well for his 2 big FA signings Curtis Granderson and Chris Young

Kevin Kernan ?@WheresKernan May 7 I was challenging #Mets offensive philosophy a month ago and was challenged by many. I saw this coming. #HuntingStrikes

[Guest LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr]

#JustifyYourExistence
#BecauseGeneralInsightOrEntertainmentValueAintIt

[Ceetar]

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: I really wish we could start him at short. Second is at least a possibility with him, but that overlooks that Muffy's one of the only guys having a decent year in the whole lineup.

Duda. Lagares. (And Wright's year is still decent)

[Ceetar]

can I go off on him? I so want to go off on him.

[Frayed Knot]

My take on Granderson + CYoung: Hitting .200 with lots of strikeouts and a combined HR total that can be counted on one hand screws up ALL hitting philosophies!

IOW -- Let's not pretend that Sandy thought he was going to get THIS from those two and feel vindicated. Nor should one who was in opposition be crowing about victory because these are the early May totals.

[Edgy MD]

It was more than clear that this philosophy was built to instill in the minor league players, and reinforced with bonuses. You're not even allowed to tie bonuses to performance under big league contracts. And clearly Granderson, at least, would be motivated to succeed on any terms he can, because he's already secured his payday for the upcoming seasons.

[batmagadanleadoff]

I don't get this "timeline" thing. I don't even know for sure, where it came from. But fans and the media are judging the Mets as if it's a train running on a reliable schedule. "The Mets are on a timeline". "This year, they'll win half their games". "Next year they'll win 85 games." "Then they'll win the next three World Series". Expectations are unreasonable and border on the childish. There aren't any guarantees and there are 29 other teams trying, or hoping, to do the exact same thing that Mets fans want their Mets to do.

Alderson inherited a team that would struggle to beat the de Roulet Mets with any consistency. And now they're broke and deep in the middle of a financial crisis. And people still hold the Mets to this "timeline" where they're supposed to challenge for the pennant with retreads, no money and bullshitting owners who still publicly deny their state of poverty.

How is this supposed to be Alderson's fault?

[ashie62]

It has been a long long time since the Mets were good and its easy to get impatient.

Lets see where they are at the break ok?

[Guest John Cougar Lunchbucket]

batmagadanleadoff wrote: I don't get this "timeline" thing. I don't even know for sure, where it came from. But fans and the media are judging the Mets as if it's a train running on a reliable schedule. "The Mets are on a timeline". "This year, they'll win half their games". "Next year they'll win 85 games." "Then they'll win the next three World Series". Expectations are unreasonable and border on the childish. There aren't any guarantees and there are 29 other teams trying, or hoping, to do the exact same thing that Mets fans want their Mets to do. Alderson inherited a team that would struggle to beat the de Roulet Mets with any consistency. And now they're broke and deep in the middle of a financial crisis. And people still hold the Mets to this "timeline" where they're supposed to challenge for the pennant with retreads, no money and bullshitting owners who still publicly deny their state of poverty. How is this supposed to be Alderson's fault?

Yeah, I think in hindsight you almost have to look at the challenge for Alderson -- build a competitive team at $90 M, starting with one that makes $138 million and happens not to have any prospects on the way -- as something akin to building an expansion team.

[batmagadanleadoff]

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: batmagadanleadoff wrote: I don't get this "timeline" thing. I don't even know for sure, where it came from. But fans and the media are judging the Mets as if it's a train running on a reliable schedule. "The Mets are on a timeline". "This year, they'll win half their games". "Next year they'll win 85 games." "Then they'll win the next three World Series". Expectations are unreasonable and border on the childish. There aren't any guarantees and there are 29 other teams trying, or hoping, to do the exact same thing that Mets fans want their Mets to do. Alderson inherited a team that would struggle to beat the de Roulet Mets with any consistency. And now they're broke and deep in the middle of a financial crisis. And people still hold the Mets to this "timeline" where they're supposed to challenge for the pennant with retreads, no money and bullshitting owners who still publicly deny their state of poverty. How is this supposed to be Alderson's fault? Yeah, I think in hindsight you almost have to look at the challenge for Alderson -- build a competitive team at $90 M, starting with one that makes $138 million and happens not to have any prospects on the way -- as something akin to building an expansion team.

Exactly. But an expansion team under 1962's conditions.

[Edgy MD]

I'd also add... without a float of dough from the bank or a float of goodwill from the fans. Expansion teams don't start business with loans being called in and fan revolts under way.

[Guest LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr]

Minus many an instrument of goodwill, too. Terry is many things, e.g., but Casey he ain't.

[Edgy MD]

Mike Vaccaro is lighting Terry and Sandy on fire this today.

Perspective, gentlemen.

[ashie62]

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