Trade Season Opens

[Benjamin Grimm]

But, perhaps tellingly, Bobby Parnell is not in the starting lineup.

[Zvon]

Benjamin Grimm wrote: But, perhaps tellingly, Bobby Parnell is not in the starting lineup.

Ha! Shit stirrer.
So we stand pat. I like.

[Edgy MD]

Bud Norris to Orioles, for something or other.

[Zvon]

Edgy MD wrote: Bud Norris to Orioles, for something or other.

For some brand new Astros.

[Ceetar]

Zvon wrote: Edgy MD wrote: Bud Norris to Orioles, for something or other. For some brand new Astros.

for Hoes.

[Frayed Knot]

So did anyone in the CPF get dealt?
Edgy tried trading me but I invoked my 10-and-5 rights.

[Ceetar]

Frayed Knot wrote: So did anyone in the CPF get traded? Edgy tried trading me but I invoked by 10-and-5 rights.

I think I'm getting sent down to Vegas to make room for someone though. *crosses fingers*

[Frayed Knot]

Alex Rios gets dealt to the Rangers - essentially to be Nelson Cruz's replacement.

Rios did not pass through waivers, the Rangers were the ones who put in a claim on him. Rather than just let him go, the White Sox negotiated with Texas and a deal was reached just prior to the window expiring.

Part-tims SS/part-time OF Leury Garcia was the return price.
The natural tendancy will be to see if this is what we could live with in return for a hypothetical Byrd trade. Rios is signed beyond this season although I'm not sure if that made him more or less attractive to Texas.

[Vic Sage]

Byrd's career numbers are quite close to Rios, overall. But Rios is making 12.5m this year, $12.5M in 2014, and $1m in 2015 to buy out a $14M option. With that kind of price tag for his mediocre production, the white sox are lucky they got a living being in return. Byrd would give a team going down the stretch a bat at least as good as Rios (certainly this season) with NO FUTURE OBLIGATIONS to an aging OFer having a career year.

I don't know why you think the compensation would be equivalent.

[smg58]

Byrd would certainly be claimed were he to be put through waivers at this point, so even if the Mets were to consider dealing him now, they could only negotiate with one team and that would probably reduce what they could get for him.

Rios has had several seasons at least as good as Byrd's current one, but he's also been paid good money for some pretty bad seasons. (Remember the White Sox got him in the first place off a straight waiver claim.) Byrd is outperforming him this year, and as Vic said, he carries no future risk. The fact that the White Sox got anything at all for a contract they didn't mind shedding says something about the market value for outfielders.

And if Rios is a starting player, then Byrd would have been as well.

[Frayed Knot]

Vic Sage wrote: I don't know why you think the compensation would be equivalent.

Not trying to suggest that the two are equivalent, only that it's a start as a basis for comparison.
Career numbers are similar although Rios has a bit more power over time plus an extra 1,000+ ABs despite being 3-1/2 years younger.
And yes he's signed for some not-so friendly numbers in the future but to Texas, coming off a year when they lost Josh Hamilton, now lose Nelson Cruz, and are facing OF David Murphy as a FA (as is Cruz) might look to the fact that Rios was under team control for the next two seasons as a positive thing whereas another team in a different mindset might not. That Texas placed a claim indicates that they had to be prepared to take on the entire contract without a deal if Chicago was willing to go that route.

Maybe a deal for Byrd to the right situation would bring back more than what the White Sox got, but I'm not sure.

[Guest LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr]

Also part of the equation: Rios also has a LOT more to offer on the basepaths (34.3 baserunning-runs above average over ten seasons; 211 steals at 77% clip) than Rumblin' Marlon (11.6 over parts of eleven seasons, 51 steals at 65% SB).