IGT - 05/07 - White Sox(13-17) @ Mets (12-16)

[metirish]

@Jay_HorwitzPR 2h
Matt Harvey has Mets permission to skip game tomorrow and be at MSG to root on Rangers. Matt has not seen Rangers lose at home. 6-0.


an hour later

@Jay_HorwitzPR 24m
Jeff Wilpon not happy that Matt Harvey was leaving for game. Instead Jeff said he would put entire game on board at Citi so Matt could stay.



I tend to agree with him not being allowed to go

[Benjamin Grimm]

Wait... what?

The Citi Field scoreboard will be showing an entire hockey game while the Mets are playing???

Why can't Harvey watch the game in the clubhouse?

[metirish]

Exactly , it would seem distracting to say the least......especially the Rangers awful PP......

[Benjamin Grimm]

Ewwww.... I wasn't aware that the Rangers had "awful peepee". TMI!

[Edgy MD]

I'm guessing Jay was making a funny.

[Ceetar]

I'm going tonight. Wonder if I can sneak peaks at the Isles game in the Caesar's club.

(yeah, the Jay thing was a joke)

[ashie62]

There was a Zamboni race outside the Garden yesterday won by jockey Ron Duguay...Class baby!!!

[Guest vtmet]

it does make me wonder: How often does yesterday's starter suit up for today's game? Is it a requirement? They just threw 120 pitches, no sane team would allow him to pitch in the next game, so what does it accomplish to require him to be there?

[Ceetar]

vtmet wrote: it does make me wonder: How often does yesterday's starter suit up for today's game? Is it a requirement? They just threw 120 pitches, no sane team would allow him to pitch in the next game, so what does it accomplish to require him to be there?

yes, but he's the perfect extra pinch runner or pinch bunter.

mostly just camaraderie and what not. it's his job, he's supposed to be there. Baseball players don't really get PTO days.

[Guest Swan Swan H]

Yeah, the previous day's starter is usually there in sneakers and a warm-up top, spitting sunflower seeds and laughing at Duda trying to go back on a line drive.

[Guest vtmet]

Ceetar wrote: it does make me wonder: How often does yesterday's starter suit up for today's game? Is it a requirement? They just threw 120 pitches, no sane team would allow him to pitch in the next game, so what does it accomplish to require him to be there? yes, but he's the perfect extra pinch runner or pinch bunter. .

The Mets have had plenty of flaws over the years...but they have had their share of pitchers that could hit almost as well as some of their 24th/25th players on the team (some from semi-recent history):
Harvey;
RA Dickey;
Orlando Hernandez;
Brian Bannister;
Benson;
Zambrano;
Trachsel;
Glavine;
John Thomson;
Pat Mahomes;

In the case of Brian Bannister, there were days that I think that he would have been a better choice at 2nd base than at pitcher...

[Edgy MD]

I think of Brian as a pretty secondbasey name. But what do I get? Giles ... Bixler. Not much.

It's probably more typical for skinny, fringey white pitchers, though: Bohanon, Bannister, Lawrence, Rose (not so skinny that last one, though).

[Guest LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr]

Niese hit that PH triple once (2011?).

[seawolf17]

Mike Hampton. And going further back, Ronnie and Doc and Sid.

[Ceetar]

Glavine was not a good hitting pitcher, in fact he was one of the worst hitters in the league over the last 20-25 years or so to get a certain minimum amount of PA.

[Benjamin Grimm]

I found these pinch-hitting appearances by Mets pitchers. Those who did not make an out are in bold.

6/8/1962 Jay Hook 8 inning K/C
4/24/1965 Warren Spahn 9 inning 3/G
7/27/1967 Don Cardwell 11 inning K
4/15/1968 Don Cardwell 22 inning 14/SH
5/2/1970 Tom Seaver 7 inning 63
5/15/1971 Tom Seaver 5 inning FC/SH
8/21/1980 Roy Lee Jackson 2 inning 8
4/14/1986 Rick Aguilera 12 inning W
7/9/1986 Rick Aguilera 7 inning E5
7/20/1986 Rick Aguilera 12 inning K
7/22/1986 Rick Aguilera 10 inning W
8/1/1990 David Cone 11 inning S8/L4MD
8/10/1992 Dwight Gooden 16 inning S/G13
8/31/1992 Dwight Gooden 13 inning 4/L4D
10/3/1993 Dwight Gooden 9 inning T9
8/22/1997 Brian Bohanon 10 inning K
9/12/1997 Brian Bohanon 14 inning S7/L6D/R6
8/30/1999 Pat Mahomes 9 inning K
5/13/2000 Mike Hampton 9 inning K
8/22/2000 Rick White 7 inning K
10/1/2000 Rick White 10 inning 31/G
4/13/2002 Steve Trachsel 11 inning 63/G
5/17/2002 Mark Corey 9 inning K
7/12/2003 Tom Glavine 11 inning 63/G
6/15/2004 Tom Glavine 7 inning 63/G
6/23/2004 Steve Trachsel 11 inning 63/G
9/11/2004 Tom Glavine 13 inning W
7/28/2007 Tom Glavine 9 inning 63/G
6/24/2009 Livan Hernandez 8 inning 54(1)3/GDP
4/17/2010 Jon Niese 15 inning K
5/16/2011 Jon Niese 11 inning T8/F

[dinosaur jesus]

If you were looking for a ground ball to short, Tom Glavine was your man.

[seawolf17]

Looked up why Roy Lee Jackson pinch-hit in the second inning in 1980; that was Craig Swan's last start before losing the rest of that season to a rotator-cuff injury. Jackson didn't then come in to pitch; Pete Falcone pitched the last seven innings and got the W.

[Edgy MD]

I (incredibly) remember that game well. Falcone was the Mets' best hitting pitcher by reputation (though Jackson was no slouch). Torre was specifically asked why Falcone wasn't his pinch-hitter and he said he said he thought about it, but Falcone wasn't done warming up.

Now, ask me where the cake knife is in my house and it's another story.

[Guest John Cougar Lunchbucket]

dinosaur jesus wrote: If you were looking for a ground ball to short, Tom Glavine was your man.

His brother Mike taught him how. Or something like that.

[G-Fafif]

Mets lineup for Harvey's 7th start of 2013:

Ruben Tejada � SS
Daniel Murphy � 2B
David Wright � 3B
John Buck � C
Lucas Duda � LF
Andrew Brown � RF
Ike Davis � 1B
Juan Lagares � CF
Matt Harvey - RHP

Mets lineup for Seaver's 7th start of 2013:

Bud Harrelson SS
Al Luplow CF
Ed Charles 3B
Tommy Davis LF
Ed Kranepool 1B
Jerry Buchek 2B
Ron Swoboda RF
John Sullivan C
Tom Seaver P

Other than 3B, 2B and C, would you necessarily take anything 2013 is offering over what 1967 put out there?

[Ceetar]

LF. and from a lineup perspective, P.

Hey, the Mets are second in the NL in runs, gotta be doing something right right?

[Guest John Cougar Lunchbucket]

I like Lagares over Luplow.

[Frayed Knot]

LA Dodger Pitchers at bat to date this season: .157/.204/.255
LA Dodger 3B-men at bat to date this season: .162/.262/.189

Of course that's more an indictment of their 3rd-sackers than it is in praise of their pitchers, but still.

How often does yesterday's starter suit up for today's game? Is it a requirement? They just threw 120 pitches, no sane team would allow him to pitch in the next game, so what does it accomplish to require him to be there?

- Suit up, as in in uniform? ... all the time; can't be in the dugout otherwise. Probably isn't wearing spikes and cups however.
- A requirement? -- no, but almost no one would simply give the pitcher a day off to go shopping or whatever; bad for team unity and all that. There was the case of Roger Clemens late in his career getting entire road trips off if he wasn't scheduled to pitch, but he was already bad for team unity.
- Non working starters used to chart the pitches although I don't think they do that anymore. Usually it was the next day hurler although some teams gave that job to the previous day's guy.

[Ceetar]

LA Dodger Pitchers at bat to date this season: .157/.204/.255 LA Dodger 3B-men at bat to date this season: .162/.262/.189 - Non working starters used to chart the pitches although I don't think they do that anymore. Usually it was the next day hurler although some teams gave that job to the previous day's guy.

there was a story about Niese doing just that last year I think, so maybe they still do to some regard.

B.J. Upton .148/.231/.269

[Guest Swan Swan H]

Going back to the hitting pitcher discussion, based on one AB and trip around the bases Mr. Koo must be mentioned.

[G-Fafif]

Another lineup featuring a 2004 Met:

Alejandro De Aza, lf
Jeff Keppinger, 2b
Alex Rios, rf
Adam Dunn, 1b
Conor Gillaspie, 3b
Alexei Ramirez, ss
Tyler Flowers, c
Dewayne Wise, cf
Hector Santiago, lhp

Mr. Keppinger will be coached, in part, by Joe McEwing, completing our troika of 2004 Mets for the evening unless I'm missing Bartolome Fortunato in the back of the ChiSox bullpen.

[Edgy MD]

Frayed Knot wrote: LA Dodger Pitchers at bat to date this season: .157/.204/.255 LA Dodger 3B-men at bat to date this season: .162/.262/.189

Zach Lutz for Clayton Kershaw. MAKE IT HAPPEN!

[Edgy MD]

G-Fafif wrote: Mr. Keppinger will be coached, in part, by Joe McEwing, completing our troika of 2004 Mets for the evening unless I'm missing Bartolome Fortunato in the back of the ChiSox bullpen.

Plus Daryl Boston coaching first. Plus Dale Torborg as conditioning coordinator.

[G-Fafif]

Not 2004 Mets, but timeless Mets.