Rule 5 Draft - 2012

[Frayed Knot]

MFS'62: "Anyhow, what time (Eastern) is the Rule V Draft today?"

10 AM Eastern
Presumably the AA & AA phases follow right after.

Mets pick 10th and currently have 37 names on their 40-man roster.


Twenty names to watch

[bmfc1]

Memories of Kyle Lobstein thread?
Adam Rubin ?@AdamRubinESPN
Jon Mayo, my former editor in college, reports Mets took Kyle Lobstein for another team. Makes sense. Mets said they weren't picking.

[Guest John Cougar Lunchbucket]

I like him with drawn butter.

[MFS62]

bmfc1 wrote: Memories of Kyle Lobstein thread? Adam Rubin ?@AdamRubinESPN Jon Mayo, my former editor in college, reports Mets took Kyle Lobstein for another team. Makes sense. Mets said they weren't picking.

Not picking?
If they deal Lobstein, they'll still have three roster spots open on the 40 man. Thought they's use at least one of them in the Rule V.
Something has to be brewing.

Later

[Ceetar]

MFS62 wrote: bmfc1 wrote: Memories of Kyle Lobstein thread? Adam Rubin ?@AdamRubinESPN Jon Mayo, my former editor in college, reports Mets took Kyle Lobstein for another team. Makes sense. Mets said they weren't picking. Not picking? If they deal Lobstein, they'll still have three roster spots open on the 40 man. Thought they's use at least one of them in the Rule V. Something has to be brewing. Later

Those spots easily needed though, Outfielders, etc.

[Guest John Cougar Lunchbucket]

Internets say the Mets are expected to flip this Lobster fellow to Detroit or the Marlins.

[Ceetar]

more importantly, none of the Mets guys were poached.

[Frayed Knot]

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: Internets say the Mets are expected to flip this Lobster fellow to Detroit or the Marlins.

Traded to the Tigers for cash.
Tigers apparently wanted him and were concerned that he wouldn't still be available when their shot came around, hence it was all a pre-arranged deal.

No players taken or lost by the Mets in the minor league portions of the process.

[Benjamin Grimm]

His tenure with the Mets will be somewhat shorter than David Wright's.

[metirish]

Frayed Knot wrote: John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: Internets say the Mets are expected to flip this Lobster fellow to Detroit or the Marlins. Traded to the Tigers for cash. Tigers apparently wanted him and were concerned that he wouldn't still be available when their shot came around, hence it was all a pre-arranged deal. No players taken or lost by the Mets in the minor league portions of the process.

Why would the Mets help Detroit like that?, something else in the works?

[Valadius]

Jeffy wants a new airplane to play with.

[A Boy Named Seo]

Mets picked 10th, Tigers 20th. Tiggs were probably afraid he'd be gone at 20 so Dave Dombrowski offered the Mets the $46 dollars he had on him, Sandy countered with "Miguel Cabrera", Dombrowski then lowered his offer to $40, and Sandy took it.

[metirish]

A Boy Named Seo wrote: Mets picked 10th, Tigers 20th. Tiggs were probably afraid he'd be gone at 20 so Dave Dombrowski offered the Mets the $46 dollars he had on him, Sandy countered with "Miguel Cabrera", Dombrowski then lowered his offer to $40, and Sandy took it.

lol

[Frayed Knot]

metirish wrote: A Boy Named Seo wrote: Mets picked 10th, Tigers 20th. Tiggs were probably afraid he'd be gone at 20 so Dave Dombrowski offered the Mets the $46 dollars he had on him, Sandy countered with "Miguel Cabrera", Dombrowski then lowered his offer to $40, and Sandy took it. lol

And that's probably a reasonably accurate assessment too.

Of course it costs a team $50,000 just to make one of these picks so the selling price is at least that although whether the Mets were able to get that additional 40 bucks off Dombrowski above and beyond that 50K is speculation.
I have no idea if it's kosher for a team to 'do a favor' like that and, in effect, rearrange the picking order in exchange for no money at all or if there's some kind of standard "finder's fee" for securing the player.

I kind of picture the owners sitting around a big, smoke-filled room making up these sort of unwritten rules with their GMs sitting behind them making sure their drink glasses are filled, etc.
"Don Wilpon must share those minor leaguers he controls in his pockets like so many nickels and dimes. Of course he has the right to charge a fee for such services. After all, we are not communists here"

[Edgy MD]

Frayed Knot wrote: John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: Internets say the Mets are expected to flip this Lobster fellow to Detroit or the Marlins. Traded to the Tigers for cash.

Yeah!

[Edgy MD]

metirish wrote: Why would the Mets help Detroit like that?, something else in the works?

Because money isn't infinite.

[Edgy MD]

Frayed Knot wrote: I kind of picture the owners sitting around a big, smoke-filled room making up these sort of unwritten rules with their GMs sitting behind them making sure their drink glasses are filled, etc. "Don Wilpon must share those minor leaguers he controls in his pockets like so many nickels and dimes. Of course he has the right to charge a fee for such services. After all, we are not communists here"

Hey, it was the same sort of deal that allowed the Reds to make the deal for Josh Hamilton that led to the salvation of his career. that was a $100,000 deal, supposedly. That's enough to fill the soda machine, anyhow.

[A Boy Named Seo]

Jonathan Mayo says Tigers delivered a note to the Mets just before the Mets pick.

[Ceetar]

Frayed Knot wrote: I have no idea if it's kosher for a team to 'do a favor' like that and, in effect, rearrange the picking order in exchange for no money at all or if there's some kind of standard "finder's fee" for securing the player. I kind of picture the owners sitting around a big, smoke-filled room making up these sort of unwritten rules with their GMs sitting behind them making sure their drink glasses are filled, etc. "Don Wilpon must share those minor leaguers he controls in his pockets like so many nickels and dimes. Of course he has the right to charge a fee for such services. After all, we are not communists here"

Nothing wrong with doing someone a favor, you never know when you're going to need one of your own.

Of course, these favors sorta circumvent the "no trading picks" rules, and you'd think they'd eventually get to legitimately being able to trade them, and perhaps in the other 4 rule drafts. Although you CAN trade one of the supplemental picks you get from..somewhere. something to do with finances?

[Guest Swan Swan H]

Kyle Lobstein ?@KyleLobstein

Maybe @metsblog can do a retrospective on my career with the #Mets

[Edgy MD]

"Lobstein" sounds like a fake name made up on a Brooklyn playground to deride the kid with the noodle arm.

"C'mon! Zip it in already, Lobstein!"

[Ceetar]

Swan Swan H wrote: Kyle Lobstein ?@KyleLobstein Maybe @metsblog can do a retrospective on my career with the #Mets

I'm roughly 95% this is a fake account.

[Guest John Cougar Lunchbucket]

Swan Swan H wrote: Kyle Lobstein ?@KyleLobstein Maybe @metsblog can do a retrospective on my career with the #Mets

His price just went up.

[Frayed Knot]

Ceetar wrote: Nothing wrong with doing someone a favor, you never know when you're going to need one of your own.

Sure, unless you're a team that was slated to pick after the Mets but ahead of the Tigers who really, really wanted Kyle Lobstein. If I were that team and feel that the Mets agreed to help out the Tigers simply because Sandy is palsy-walsy with Dombrowski and at no benefit to themselves, I think I'd complain to the commish about it.
Bottom line is, I suspect the cash the Mets got by "trading" Lobstein to the Tigers is more than the 50K they paid for him in the first place, but I don't know that or know if there are rules that say how much more.

Of course, these favors sorta circumvent the "no trading picks" rules, and you'd think they'd eventually get to legitimately being able to trade them, and perhaps in the other 4 rule drafts. Although you CAN trade one of the supplemental picks you get from..somewhere. something to do with finances?

Starting in this June's draft there will be a handful of extra draft picks inserted somewhere into the process under the guise of "competitive balance picks" which, yes, can (and already have been) swapped although I've yet to figure out how and under what circumstances they're distributed.

[Ceetar]

Frayed Knot wrote: Starting in this June's draft there will be a handful of extra draft picks inserted somewhere into the process under the guise of "competitive balance picks" which, yes, can (and already have been) swapped although I've yet to figure out how and under what circumstances they're distributed.

I read the bits on it in the CBA, but it didn't stick I guess. Has something to do with markets and income tiers and ..*snores*

[Farmer Ted]

Memories of Kyle Lobstein...

[Guest Mets � Willets Point]

Farmer Ted wrote: Memories of Kyle Lobstein...

His name made people think of crustaceans.

His contributions to the Mets are on par with Charles Johnson and David Justice.

[bmfc1]

I wondered if he was Jewish.

[ashie62]

Frayed Knot wrote: John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: Internets say the Mets are expected to flip this Lobster fellow to Detroit or the Marlins. Traded to the Tigers for cash. Tigers apparently wanted him and were concerned that he wouldn't still be available when their shot came around, hence it was all a pre-arranged deal. No players taken or lost by the Mets in the minor league portions of the process.

The Mets got cash!