Muffy Trade Value

[Guest John Cougar Lunchbucket]

I dunno, I just think they're gonna hafta trade Muffy.

I don't think he can second-base well enough for a team with no K pitchers, and he might have some real value given his lo-salary and hi-productivity. Plus we need the pitching already and you know it.

Would you take Max Scherzer? Phil Hughes?

What'd be a fair trade for this guy?

[TransMonk]

Are we selling him as a 3B? I think his limited defensive ability may be a red flag for other teams.

[ashie62]

So Turner or Havens play second?

Hard to guage trade value. What do you get if other teams see him as a utility player?

Not getting Scherzer or Hughes..

[Gwreck]

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: Would you take Max Scherzer? Phil Hughes? What'd be a fair trade for this guy?

Yes, iI take either of those guys, in a heartbeat.

I see Murphy as having less value to others than he has to us. I say we give him the full year at second base to figure it out. Otherwise lost years are exactly the time to do such things.

[Guest LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr]

TransMonk wrote: Are we selling him as a 3B? I think his limited defensive ability may be a red flag for other teams.

Whaddaya mean, limited? He plays five different positions, homey!

Honestly, I think if anything limits his value, it's that he's not plus-power or plus-speed OR a big walker, which renders him highly BABIP-dependent, bat-wise.

[TransMonk]

The problem is that Muffy is cheap right now, and while that may be part of his appeal for possible trading partners, the Mets can't really raise salary all that much.

Bud Norris from the Astros?

[metirish]

I would be shocked if we got either of those two pitchers or simialr for Murphy. He could be one of the few interesting storylines to follow this coming season, I'd like to see him stay healthy and see what he can do.

[Ceetar]

if Murphy continues to hit like he has, he could have enormous value for anyone looking for bat in the summer (Which could be the Mets. They're probably not looking to offload him) He can play first and third at least averagely, and we'll see about 2nd.

and we do have K pitchers. the Mets were 17th, right in the middle of the pack, last year. Obviously a lot depends on if it's Santana or like..Batista, but he Ks guys, Niese Ks guys. Dickey and Gee are below average but Dickey's decent at inducing soft contact due tothe knuckler. Pelfrey's subpar but not by a ton. Pelfrey and Niese let up a lot of hits though, and that's where the problem is, in the double plays.

But he's generally been a pretty good range guy, and actually his overcommitting problems will likely be less of a problem at second. So maybe we're trading a couple of double plays for a a couple more outs in the field.

[smg58]

The trade rumors around Murphy earlier in the offseason seemed to involve reserve outfielders (like Andy Dirks of the Tigers), which would be selling very low rather than high. Plus, somebody has to play third base when the Mets trade Wright.

[Ceetar]

smg58 wrote: The trade rumors around Murphy earlier in the offseason seemed to involve reserve outfielders (like Andy Dirks of the Tigers), which would be selling very low rather than high. Plus, somebody has to play third base when the Mets trade Wright.

why? just have the fan do it.

[Guest John Cougar Lunchbucket]

smg58 wrote: Plus, somebody has to play third base when the Mets trade Wright.

ow.

[Guest John Cougar Lunchbucket]

Snooze this morning indicated the Mets are sniffing for a pitcher by trade. Given we have Valdespin, Havens, Turner, etc who could also play 2B, still wonder about this.

(I'm not in a hurry to flip the guy, I love him, it's just... what else is there to trade?)

[Benjamin Grimm]

I think with Young and possibly Harvey on the horizon, any starter the Mets pick up will be more of a stopgap guy who should come for a cheaper price than Daniel Murphy.

[Ceetar]

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: Snooze this morning indicated the Mets are sniffing for a pitcher by trade. Given we have Valdespin, Havens, Turner, etc who could also play 2B, still wonder about this. (I'm not in a hurry to flip the guy, I love him, it's just... what else is there to trade?)

Depends if we're talking solid contributor or veteran 5th starter that'll keep him in the game. I'd probably part with prospects for the first, Turner for the second.

I guess it depends on the front offices thinking. Murphy, if it's determined to be okay at second, as a long term solution? Or is the hope to have one of those prospects demand the spot and Murphy's eventually trade bait anyway?

Are the Mets actually looking for a 'stop gap'? under the premise that you can never have too much pitching, do you grab someone that's better than that and figure a hole will open up? Mets don't owe Young anything, and it wouldn't be the worst thing in the world if Harvey didn't come up this year (or came up into a 6 man rotation, or something else)

[Edgy MD]

They've been so deliberate, I would thing they're bound to throw Hefner into the breach at least once before they make a move.

[metirish]

I think Murphy would be attractive to a contending team, I could see him playing 2nd for the Dodgers, he'd fit nicely in that lineup.

[Ceetar]

Edgy DC wrote: They've been so deliberate, I would thing they're bound to throw Hefner into the breach at least once before they make a move.

Well, definitely on that. And I guess he could wow them or something, but prepare for the possibility that he gives up 15 runs.. May 14th is probably that second start for that spot.

[Edgy MD]

Believe me, I'm aware that disaster is around every corner.

It's believing it can be dodged that is the undoing of too many. You can negotiate with it, dance a tango, fight it to a standoff. You can toss it a piece of meat as you scamper around the corner. You can take a deep breath as you turn out the light before dashing across the bathroom floor back to your bed. But still it lurks, even in your sweetest moments of laughable success, you feel its hot and foul breath on the back of your neck.

Still, I think they'll throw Hefner a start.

[TransMonk]

I'm of the opinion of staying the course with whoever can contribute from Buffalo. It's too early to know anything about anything.

Are we a starter away from winning this division? We have options at 2B, but can they replace Muprhy offensively?

A move right now seems desperate to me and I don't think we would get value for Muffy (or anyone) at this time.

[Ceetar]

I don't think the desire to give Hefner a start is going to delay them pulling the trigger on a move though, it's more dependent on the price. But a good Hefner start may give Sandy leverage to not seem as desperate and offer less?

also, Pelfrey's eligibility for the 60day DL opens up a roster spot for such a move.

[Guest John Cougar Lunchbucket]

Let's just talk in more general terms. What do the Mets have to trade? Sure they could find a lot of return fro Wright but I don't think they'll dare. Davis? Not that way he's going. Thole? Not much and we need him. Relievers? No value yet. Bay? Not with that contract. Tejada or Duda would be stupid. Torres and Hairston would bring so little.

Muffy -- or perhaps, the right choices from the minors -- is what we have to trade. Right?

[Guest metsguyinmichigan]

How much time do we have to give Harvey in Triple-A?

[Edgy MD]

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: Let's just talk in more general terms. What do the Mets have to trade? Sure they could find a lot of return fro Wright but I don't think they'll dare. Davis? Not that way he's going. Thole? Not much and we need him. Relievers? No value yet. Bay? Not with that contract. Tejada or Duda would be stupid. Torres and Hairston would bring so little. Muffy -- or perhaps, the right choices from the minors -- is what we have to trade. Right?

They could trade the shit out of Jon Rauch.

The question to me is whether, if you are looking for a starter to bridge a few weeks in a season such as this, do you give up a career for him? And I think with Sandy's history of restraint, his answer is going to be somewhere between, "I dunno yet" and "Impress me."

[Ceetar]

metsguyinmichigan wrote: How much time do we have to give Harvey in Triple-A?

Ask a thousand people, get a thousand different answer.

When the value he brings at the major league level outweights the growth he needs and can get at AAA..

but that's not a measurable amount. It could be Tuesday in Philadelphia. It could be Tuesday, April 9th, 2013.

[Guest metsguyinmichigan]

I'd say it's about two Hafner starts away.

[Benjamin Grimm]

I think we'll see Young before we see Harvey. (That is, unless Young has a medical setback, of course.)

[Edgy MD]

metsguyinmichigan wrote: I'd say it's about two Hafner starts away.

Wait, we got Hafner?

[Edgy MD]

Orioles DHs hitting: .236 / .320 / .326 // .646. Lookit what they got for depth.

[Guest attgig]

yeah, we have to wait until the trading deadline to get the most bang for the buck with Murphy.

Also, considering he's been our second/third best hitter, getting a #5 guy to plug a hole until Chris Young comes back seems like very little for a legit OBP guy.

I think there's enough need for offense with some of the teams out there that we will get something for him. Does that mean we SHOULD trade him? I think for the right price yes.

And I think the right price is not for a major league stopgap, but for a legit prospect.
1: someone who can be projected to be a good middle of the rotation guy
or 2: someone projected to be a legit replacement in LF that'll get to flushing before Nimmo (although Vaughn has been looking good this year).
or 3: a real catcher over thole. someone who can hit and also play some defense.

heck package both thole and murphy for one legit guy.

[Edgy MD]

Personally, I want Murphy around forever. He's this team in microcosm.