NL East winter moves 2011-12

[TransMonk]

Or what is said about Johan every year.

[bmfc1]

Edwin Jackson to the Nationals. And the Nationals get even stronger.

[Edgy MD]

Eh, Cardinals get weaker.

[Guest LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr]

The odds of a Johnson-BobbyV All-Star game grow shorter.

[Guest John Cougar Lunchbucket]

Eh. The way I see it 2012 will be bitterly disappointing to 2 NL East teams, we just don't know which yet.

Lannan who agreed to a $5 mills 1 yr deal today is being "aggressively shopped" in the meantime. Now he's no prize but we could do worse than the depth he could provide, plus he'd fulfill the Mets' obligation to give every player from the Metro area a shot before his career ends.

[Ceetar]

pretty sure it's going to be disappointing to 4 of them.

[Guest attgig]

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: Eh. The way I see it 2012 will be bitterly disappointing to 2 NL East teams, we just don't know which yet. Lannan who agreed to a $5 mills 1 yr deal today is being "aggressively shopped" in the meantime. Now he's no prize but we could do worse than the depth he could provide, plus he'd fulfill the Mets' obligation to give every player from the Metro area a shot before his career ends.

i think he's too expensive for our payroll.

[Guest attgig]

Ceetar wrote: pretty sure it's going to be disappointing to 4 of them.

mmmm, probably 3. wildcard is probably good enough for most teams, and wc is prolly coming out of the east.


but yeah...
of all the years that the Marlins picked to make a splash in the headlines and get hype for their team, the Nationals seem to be going out and trying to steal the headlines away.

[Ceetar]

attgig wrote: Ceetar wrote: pretty sure it's going to be disappointing to 4 of them. mmmm, probably 3. wildcard is probably good enough for most teams, and wc is prolly coming out of the east. but yeah... of all the years that the Marlins picked to make a splash in the headlines and get hype for their team, the Nationals seem to be going out and trying to steal the headlines away.

I'd be surprised if the Nationals (or the Marlins) made a serious playoff run.

[Edgy MD]

Do we have the money on the Jackson deal yet? Not much of a better bet to me than, say Mike Pelfrey. But he's coming off the better year, so.

[TransMonk]

1 year between $8M and $12M according to Heyman.

[Edgy MD]

Well, they have Davey Johnson, who is typically awesome in his first year, so it would be perilous to underestimate them, but make mine Mets.

[Guest attgig]

Ceetar wrote: Ceetar wrote: pretty sure it's going to be disappointing to 4 of them. mmmm, probably 3. wildcard is probably good enough for most teams, and wc is prolly coming out of the east. but yeah... of all the years that the Marlins picked to make a splash in the headlines and get hype for their team, the Nationals seem to be going out and trying to steal the headlines away. I'd be surprised if the Nationals (or the Marlins) made a serious playoff run.

I think the nationals could have a real shot with their rotation. if they upgrade laroche and a CF (or by calling up bryce and he's ready), I think they really could challenge for a wildcard spot. of course, if selig gets his way and there's two wild card teams, the possibility is even more real.

[nymr83]

Mets will be the only team in the NL East under .500

[Edgy MD]

The Mets.

Will be.

A-MAY-zing.

[Vic Sage]

yeah, but not necessarily in a good way.

[Edgy MD]

Maybe, but the amount of online self-immolations has made this quite an offseason for weenies.

A a diehard Met fan, I'm begging you..... please trade David Wright. He deserves better than this.

[Guest Mets � Willets Point]

Edgy DC wrote: The Mets. Will be. A-MAY-zing.

This just means that the Mets will have a really great May.

[bmfc1]

Rick Ankiel signs a minor league contract with the Nationals. His arm and decent power would have been a nice addition to the Mets bench, but no.

[Frayed Knot]

MLB.com -- Marlins reportedly presented [Cuban FA OFer Yeonis] Cespedes with a six-year, $40 million contract offer to consider.

This follows his visit to them a few days ago. The 26 y/o defector has not yet been cleared to sign a ML deal although he has established residency in the DR and can talk to and even negotiate deals with ML clubs.

[smg58]

bmfc1 wrote: Rick Ankiel signs a minor league contract with the Nationals. His arm and decent power would have been a nice addition to the Mets bench, but no.

Alderson appears to be waiting and seeing as far as that lefty outfield spot on the bench goes. Either that, or he thinks Mike Baxter is good enough. I hope its the former.

[Edgy MD]

There's also Adam Loewen and Kirk Nieuwenhuis competing for that role, or at least the role of outstanding compound vowel Met.

[Guest John Cougar Lunchbucket]

DiComo's article on Niuewy the other day made it seem as though he had no shot of going north barring some kind of disaster. Makes enough sense to see if he can start hitting like he did again in the minors and force a midseason appearance.

I like Loewen for whatever reason.

[Frayed Knot]

After missing the 2nd half of last season I think it's probably wise to keep Nieuwenhuis in AAA for a while. Loewen, already 28 y/o and trying to be the next Ankiel, is a more likely candidate for experimentation.

Or maybe we can just combine the two of them which will also give the announcer the opportunity to say: 'Tonight, let it be Loewenhuis' whenever he/them come into the game.

[Edgy MD]

I'm certainly not arguing for Niuewy, but I also see no reason why he couldn't come up in six weeks if the more veteran guys weren't doing the job and he was.

[Ceetar]

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: DiComo's article on Niuewy the other day made it seem as though he had no shot of going north barring some kind of disaster. Makes enough sense to see if he can start hitting like he did again in the minors and force a midseason appearance. I like Loewen for whatever reason.

DePodesta had said late last year that Nieuwenhuis would've probably gotten a September look if he hadn't gotten hurt as well.

Sounds like the best case scenario is he's Ike Davis of 2010, kills Spring Training, continues to hit in the minors and forces his way up. I doubt Torres will be as bad as Jacobs, but an injury could accelerate things as well.

[Edgy MD]

Torres may not but his backup might.

[Ceetar]

Edgy DC wrote: Torres may not but his backup might.

You really think the Mets are gonna promote Nieuwenhuis to play part time?

[Edgy MD]

It happens sometimes. Happened with Tejada, for instance.

Nobody gets buried on the bench anymore. There's plenty of PT for everybody. They could call him up to replace some backup to Torres, but give him a chance to steal Torres' job.

Trying to give prospects a chance to play every day is a useful value, but it's not so pre-eminent as all that.

[Ceetar]

Edgy DC wrote: It happens sometimes. Happened with Tejada, for instance. Nobody gets buried on the bench anymore. There's plenty of PT for everybody. They could call him up to replace some backup to Torres, but give him a chance to steal Torres' job. Trying to give prospects a chance to play every day is a useful value, but it's not so pre-eminent as all that.

Oh, I agree, but the prevailing reason given for him not making the team is wanting him to get some more AB in the minors. I guess the hitting lefty thing is a big factor, if the Baxter type isn't getting it done, but I don't think it happens if Torres is doing very well.